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Im compiling a list of potential #2 Wrs for the coming free agency period after washouts like Cameron Meridith, TreQuan Smith, Dez Bryant, Ted Ginn jr, Keith KirkWood, and Emmanuel Butler haven't yet successfully filled the position.

Im of the opinion that the Saints are one or two great players away and need to go all in on a couple of superstars this offseason.

#2 wr has been the biggest hole on the team besides cornerback depth and that needs to change so without further ado the top two names on my Free agent list are:

1) Amari Cooper
2) Breshard Perriman

top available 2020 draft options:

1)Ceedee Lamb, Oklahoma
2)Leviska Shenault, Colorado
3)Jalen Reagor, TCU
4)Bryan Edwards, South Carolina
5)Michael Pittman JR, USC
4) Tee Higgins, Clemson
5)Chase Claypool, Notre Dame
7)David Mims, Baylor
 
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Proche definitely has a knack for winning highly contested balls despite only weighing 193lbs.

There were very few passes above that weren't contested that he didn't have to muscle away in tight coverage.

The ability to win even without separation is key on the next level.

 
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Mickey Loomis throwing out Smoke Screens?

 
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+rep for the good post and for leaving out Jalen "Tavon Austin" Reagor
Reagor seems like more of a pure outside guy.

He reminds me more of Donte Stallworth. Super athlete with incredible speed. His only weakness is stiff hips.
 
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Mickey Loomis throwing out Smoke Screens?

If this isn't a smokescreen then this draft is shaping up to be a repeat of 2014 when we should have taken 2 wrs because of the strong crop that year but instead reached for Stanley Jean-Baptiste in rd 2.

It could also be argued that a trade up for cooks was not necessary with Allen Robinson sitting right there on the board for the taking at 27.


This draft is so deep at wr that they should be able to find immediate contributors and possible starters all the way through round 4.
 

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a guy who could become a free agent because of the salary cap is sammy watkins. I think his next contract is going to be more of a prove it and we could be the one to give it to him.
 

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Moss was a bit more sudden than either guy.


Both Hamler and Duvernay create separation mostly at the top of their routes like Morgan and Devery Henderson did.


I would love to see both win more consistently underneath. Duvernay did have a bunch of catches but many seemed like designed screens like Lil'Jordan Humphrey ran last year.


The best Yac Guys that I've seen so far are Laviska Shenault and Bryan Edwards.

I don't think Moss was more sudden that Duv. But Moss is what, 6-7 years removed, so my memory could be off. That was several beers and a baby ago. I remember him being a first round pick, so I'm sure his measurables were significant.

You're right about Duv/LJH, Duvernay took over the LJH role in Herman's offense last year. But he was more effective at it than LJH, while being a better physical specimen. Duvernay created his own separation. LJH mostly just relied on bullying smaller guys at the college level, which is unlikely to translate to the NFL (and why I was down on him as an NFL prospect when he came to NOLA). They ran a lot more of those bubble screens to Duv than LJH, because Duvernay had much more explosive play potential. Also, I hate that play.

Anyway, Duvernay is a much better prospect than LJH.
 
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I don't think Moss was more sudden that Duv. But Moss is what, 6-7 years removed, so my memory could be off. That was several beers and a baby ago. I remember him being a first round pick, so I'm sure his measurables were significant.

You're right about Duv/LJH, Duvernay took over the LJH role in Herman's offense last year. But he was more effective at it than LJH, while being a better physical specimen. Duvernay created his own separation. LJH mostly just relied on bullying smaller guys at the college level, which is unlikely to translate to the NFL (and why I was down on him as an NFL prospect when he came to NOLA). They ran a lot more of those bubble screens to Duv than LJH, because Duvernay had much more explosive play potential. Also, I hate that play.

Anyway, Duvernay is a much better prospect than LJH.
Another physical comparison for Duvernay is Golden Tate after weighing in at 5'11 202 at the Senior Bowl.

Duvernay is already a better prospect than Humphrey because of his track speed.

Once he learns NFL routes and technique the sky will be the limit.
 

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Proche definitely has a knack for winning highly contested balls despite only weighing 193lbs.

There were very few passes above that weren't contested that he didn't have to muscle away in tight coverage.

The ability to win even without separation is key on the next level.

I was hoping Proche wold be a sleeper the saints could steal in the later rounds but I do not think that is going to happen. He is one of those ultimate competitors that elevates his game for the situation. When a play is needed he absolutely clutch.

He reminds me of Eric Martin. Not the biggest, not the fastest but a lunch pail guy that catches everything you throw at him.
 

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The Patriots being smitten with a WR should be a huge red flag and would go in the "Cons" column for said player if I were a scout. They are awful at scouting WRs.
 

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Here's a solid 3 Day Recap of the Senior Bowl practices particularly what stood out from this Wide Receiver group. Which was without a doubt the strongest position group on display at the event.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/senior-bowl-receiver-report

Denzil Mims - Baylor
Denzel Mims has put forth the best performance of all the wideouts here. He has simply looked flawless. A long-legged vertical threat, his immense catch radius has been on full display and stop/start skills are much better than advertised. He eats up space with ease and his size and physicality have caused trouble for corners all week, especially when stacking press coverage at the line.

My take - Mims definitely helped his stock over the past Three days, I was really impressed with his smoothness on vertical routes, and how he high points the ball on contested balls.

KJ Hill - Ohio State
There’s just something about these Ohio State receivers and the Senior Bowl. After McLaurin burst onto the scene with his technical savvy and flawless route-running last year, K.J. Hill has done the same in 2020. He isn’t the biggest or the fastest, but Hill’s quickness, nuance and insane one-handed catches consistently put him on the highlight reel. Take it for what it is, but I had one name pop into my mind while watching Hill: Tyler Lockett.

My take - The Saints do seem to have a thing for Ohio State players. I haven't been as high on Hill as some others but he displayed some nasty route running ability against these Senior Bowl DBs. His short area quickness could be a big asset in the slot; definitely see the Tyler Lockett comparisons.

James Proche - Southern Methodist
Similar in size to Hill, James Proche just didn't quite stack up to the Ohio State receiver this week. Showcasing abnormally large hands, the SMU product made some great contested catches, but for a small receiver, he didn’t gain nearly enough separation consistently. Proche lacks burst at the position, which given his small stature hurts him a great deal.

My take - A guy that has generated a bit more buzz lately; his greatest asset are his large dependable hands; but he doesn't really have the size, or burst to be a high pick. Could be a Day 2 guy.

Michael Pittman Jr. - USC
A receiver who has looked great at times and mediocre at others, Michael Pittman Jr. put together a performance similar to his USC film. He showed more burst than advertised but did get outplayed from other deep threats like Denzel Mims. I heard a scout compare the Trojan prospect to former Cardinals receiver Michael Floyd, and I think that comparison has been very justified this week.

My take - Really impressive size for the position, showed more down the field ability than some expected. A foot injury will keep him out of Saturday's game which is disappointing, the Michael Floyd comparisons make sense.

Devin Duvernay - TexasDevin Duvernay
was able to use his electrifying straight-line speed and superb contact balance this week. He actually looked far stiffer than I anticipated and has also struggled with drops — something he hardly ever had an issue with at Texas. Put as much stock in it as you want, but Collin Johnson, the other Longhorns wideout prospect, had a much superior week.
My take - has size, and straight line speed. Some worry about his fluidity in and out of sharp breaks. Some scouts say he looks stiff. The vertical speed he displayed was impressive, from a straight line perspective however.

Van Jefferson - Florida
Outside of Mims, I’m not sure any wideout had a better week. Van Jefferson was already known for his savvy route-running and quick-twitch ability, but not even his biggest fans expected this type of performance. Dominating one-on-ones, the Florida product battled with the best corners Mobile had to offer, including UCLA’s Darnay Holmes, and still came out on top. As a limited athlete, he’ll likely struggle at the combine in Indianapolis, but this is a very strong start to his pre-draft process.

My take - Older player who might be maxed out physically, but a saavy route runner and technician. A player I wouldn't mind the Saints looking at in the mid rounds.
 
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The Patriots being smitten with a WR should be a huge red flag and would go in the "Cons" column for said player if I were a scout. They are awful at scouting WRs.
Even a broken clock...

Proche seems to be the exception and SMU is basically WR-University recently with past wrs like Emmanuel Sanders, Courtland Sutton and Aldrick Robinson all making it to the NFL.

They even have a deep threat (Roberson) who looks like a good prospect next yr.

Why not go with a proven program is likely their thought process here.

Besides Jeudy, Lamb and Pittman Jr., Proche might be the best pure pass catcher around.
 
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To add for Superkid's post

Mims does look to have some Josh Gordon to his game.

Hill seems more like a Lance Moore or Willie Snead type of player.



 

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The more I study KJ Hill the more I'm coming around to him and buying in.

At first glance I was concerned about his size holding up at the next level, but the smoothness he displays in and out of breaks and short area quickness is crucial for playing the Slot.

The Saints haven't had that quick, twitchy inside route runner since Lance Moore. I think he's a Round 2 guy right now, but if the Saints really love him they'll move up into Round 2.. like they found a way to go up and get McCoy last year. Plus he has the whole Ohio State pedigree thing going for him.. and it seems the Saints love their Ohio State guys over the past few drafts.
 

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Interesting that SuperKid's post author said Duv looked stiff, where Schefter said everyone was impressed with his quickness in and out of breaks. I guess it's that time of year where we get all sorts of conflicting opinions - as scouting is as subjective as it gets.
 

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Interesting that SuperKid's post author said Duv looked stiff, where Schefter said everyone was impressed with his quickness in and out of breaks. I guess it's that time of year where we get all sorts of conflicting opinions - as scouting is as subjective as it gets.
I think there are legit concerns about how Duverynay's route running and ability to gain separation against NFL caliber DBs will translate at the next level.

His build and straight down the field speed is impressive, but he didn't face a lot of press coverage in the Big-12; and the Senior Bowl didn't have the strongest field of Corners and most of his wins in straight 1-on-1 reps were on straight line routes, not a lot of stop and start, multiple cut type separation.

I trust Ben Solak and the guys over at the Draft Network but a lot of the scouting takes on Duvernay raise the same concerns... here's a different sites evaluation on him WalterFootball which is widely used for Draft opinions on this board
Devin Duvernay, WR, Texas
Height: 5-11. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round (2020): 6-FA.

1/4/20: Collin Johnson received more attention, but Duvernay was the Longhorns' most steady receiver in 2019. On the year, he had 106 receptions for 1,386 yards and nine touchdowns. Duvernay, however, faces some limitations for the NFL. He has a running back's build and has some tightness athletically to go along with being short while lacking length. Duvernay doesn't know how to run routes, but his straight-line speed is for real and he is tough. Duvernay runs hard and breaks tackles too. Team sources say they see him as being a very late-round pick as a backup wideout and kick returner.
I think as of now the consensus is that team-mate Collin Johnson is the better Pro-Prospect than Duvernay; but let's see how the rest of the draft process, and combine play out.
 

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