2021 HoF Semifinalists Named (1 Viewer)

Wait.. i thought we were talking about if Matt Ryan is a HOFer, right? His numbers & accolades says he is. Don't let your hate of the Failcons blind you my dude.
I dont Hate Matt Ryan and I am mostly just apathetic toward the Falcons. But Matt Ryan has good numbers in an era when all QBs have good numbers. I dont think there will ever be a ballot of 15 finalists where he is one of the top 5 options. I could be wrong though, I rarely get more than 3 of 5 right.
 
Matt Ryan comes to mind. No way in hell is he a HOF'ER!
That's still very much a hotly-debated issue. If we're using the criteria of overall wins and losses over his career as a starting QB, or his performances in postseason(particularly SB 51 and Falcons epic, legendary 28-3 collapse) sure, its been a long shot Ryan even makes the HOF Semifinalists list, but if he stays healthy for another 3-4 seasons and doesn't suffer any significant career-ending injury, if he makes it a numbers game ala Dan Fouts and ends up with 60,000-65,000 passing yards, even if taken into context of a more passing league, those marks are still hard to overlook and totally ignore for HOF voters or writers.

. Philip Rivers, whether some fans like it or not, is a heavy borderline HOFer, Matt Ryan is reaching borderline HOF status in terms of career passing yards despite a mediocre postseason record and even if his success is owed more to throwing to future HOF WRs or TEs like Tony Gonzales and Julio Jones and Roddy White, despite the recent(deserved) derision about his warbled, confused tweet saying how Atlanta was going to beat us last week, did have a pretty damn good career statistically-speaking, IIRC close to 10,000 receiving yards.
 
The ‘90s Bills were legendary. 4 straight trips are about as hard as winning one of them. Ryan still hasn’t had b2b division titles yet.
The Denver Broncos of the mid-late 80s made 3 SB trips in 4 seasons in mostly same weak AFC conference back then those great Bills teams did. Its not 4 consecutive Super Bowl berths, but its still pretty damn close and besides Elway, how many individual Broncos players from those 3 SB teams from the mid-late 80s are in HOF? Tom Jackson, Rulon Jones, Karl Mecklenburg, Steve Atwater? Dan Reeves, who has 200 overall career wins as a HC and who played in several memorable NFL Title games with Cowboys in mid-late 60s, including the Ice Bowl where he threw a HB option pass for a TD that gave Cowboys a 4th quarter lead until Dallas defense collapsed on Packers last GW drive and Starr's now-famous QB sneak to win it.
How about Rod Smart? What about Randy Gradishar of the famed "Orange Crush" defense of late 1970s?
 
That's still very much a hotly-debated issue. If we're using the criteria of overall wins and losses over his career as a starting QB, or his performances in postseason(particularly SB 51 and Falcons epic, legendary 28-3 collapse) sure, its been a long shot Ryan even makes the HOF Semifinalists list, but if he stays healthy for another 3-4 seasons and doesn't suffer any significant career-ending injury, if he makes it a numbers game ala Dan Fouts and ends up with 60,000-65,000 passing yards, even if taken into context of a more passing league, those marks are still hard to overlook and totally ignore for HOF voters or writers.

. Philip Rivers, whether some fans like it or not, is a heavy borderline HOFer, Matt Ryan is reaching borderline HOF status in terms of career passing yards despite a mediocre postseason record and even if his success is owed more to throwing to future HOF WRs or TEs like Tony Gonzales and Julio Jones and Roddy White, despite the recent(deserved) derision about his warbled, confused tweet saying how Atlanta was going to beat us last week, did have a pretty damn good career statistically-speaking, IIRC close to 10,000 receiving yards.
It’s a long shot for Ryan to go into the Hall. He’s the leader of the biggest blown lead in sports. People who don’t even watch sports know what 28-3 means. That’s how bad of a hit that game was. Add to that, the Falcons were already known as one of the least successful franchises in the League.
For Ryan to get in, it’d have to be similar to the 09 Saints winning the Super Bowl to erase the ghosts of 28-3.
 
It’s a long shot for Ryan to go into the Hall. He’s the leader of the biggest blown lead in sports. People who don’t even watch sports know what 28-3 means. That’s how bad of a hit that game was. Add to that, the Falcons were already known as one of the least successful franchises in the League.
For Ryan to get in, it’d have to be similar to the 09 Saints winning the Super Bowl to erase the ghosts of 28-3.
Warren Moon and the 1992 Houston Oilers probably have that honor, in first building a 28-3 halftime lead then adding on it with a Chris Dishman INT return for a TD early in the 3rd quarter to make it, 35--3. Then Buffalo behind former backup QB (and current Colts HC) managed to pull off, with some poorly called and managed Oilers INTs, to come back and force an OT, at 38-38, then win it, with a Steve Christie FG,,41-38. Nearly 28 years later, NFL fans over the age of 45-50 still remember and discuss the "Comeback", its ramifications for Bills making a third consecutive Super Bowl run and loss, and the long-term implications of Bud Adams losing patience with his talented playoff contender Oilers teams and threatening to blow up the team if they didn't win a Super Bowl in 1993. They got upset by Kansas City, 28--20, next season and Adams, ever the reckless, rash idiotic owner he was went through on his threat and blew up a squad that had made 7 consecutive playoff appearances and then demanded a new-football only stadium, fully publicly financed expense, or else he'd leave or relocate the Oilers eventually to Tennessee. Houston mayor, and city council got sick and tired of his near-decade long blackmail threats to exhort renovations money to Astrodome or else he'd leave via Jacksonville, Birmingham, Ala., or Memphis or Nashville, TN.

Did "The Comeback" hurt Warren Moon's chances of HOF induction? Maybe for a few years it did, but too many writers, voters, and fans examined the whole totality of his career and concluded it was asinine to ignore his career stats, achievements, very long, accomplished tenure as reasons to continue ignoring him being inducted.

Right now, for Ryan, its a numbers game just like Philip Rivers who will probably finish this season with 63,000 passing yards barring injury. Whether we like it or not and despite our hatred for the Falcons and the figurative and literal chest bumps whenever they lose or suck or we temporarily revert to celebrating like college fratboy jocks frothing and cavorting like feral animals on our respective living room floors, if Ryan ends his career with in and around 60-to-62,000 passing yards, again barring serious injury, if Rivers gets in, it's very hypocritical and contradictory for HOF voters to all of a sudden create vastly different set of criteria for why a NFL QB with a similar career trajectory as Rivers doesn't get in while other one does.
 
Warren Moon and the 1992 Houston Oilers probably have that honor, in first building a 28-3 halftime lead then adding on it with a Chris Dishman INT return for a TD early in the 3rd quarter to make it, 35--3. Then Buffalo behind former backup QB (and current Colts HC) managed to pull off, with some poorly called and managed Oilers INTs, to come back and force an OT, at 38-38, then win it, with a Steve Christie FG,,41-38. Nearly 28 years later, NFL fans over the age of 45-50 still remember and discuss the "Comeback", its ramifications for Bills making a third consecutive Super Bowl run and loss, and the long-term implications of Bud Adams losing patience with his talented playoff contender Oilers teams and threatening to blow up the team if they didn't win a Super Bowl in 1993. They got upset by Kansas City, 28--20, next season and Adams, ever the reckless, rash idiotic owner he was went through on his threat and blew up a squad that had made 7 consecutive playoff appearances and then demanded a new-football only stadium, fully publicly financed expense, or else he'd leave or relocate the Oilers eventually to Tennessee. Houston mayor, and city council got sick and tired of his near-decade long blackmail threats to exhort renovations money to Astrodome or else he'd leave via Jacksonville, Birmingham, Ala., or Memphis or Nashville, TN.

Did "The Comeback" hurt Warren Moon's chances of HOF induction? Maybe for a few years it did, but too many writers, voters, and fans examined the whole totality of his career and concluded it was asinine to ignore his career stats, achievements, very long, accomplished tenure as reasons to continue ignoring him being inducted.

Right now, for Ryan, its a numbers game just like Philip Rivers who will probably finish this season with 63,000 passing yards barring injury. Whether we like it or not and despite our hatred for the Falcons and the figurative and literal chest bumps whenever they lose or suck or we temporarily revert to celebrating like college fratboy jocks frothing and cavorting like feral animals on our respective living room floors, if Ryan ends his career with in and around 60-to-62,000 passing yards, again barring serious injury, if Rivers gets in, it's very hypocritical and contradictory for HOF voters to all of a sudden create vastly different set of criteria for why a NFL QB with a similar career trajectory as Rivers doesn't get in while other one does.

I remember the "Comeback" game I was at a friends for a cook out/party with the game on. We lost interest in the game assuming a blow loss for the Bills. When the Bills started scoring I was still kind of checking on the game and paying more attention. When it got close I pointed out to the others what was happening and then we all started watching in amazement and actually cheering the Bills on. We were all Saints fans and really had no interest in either team but you just had to root on the Bills during that comeback. I later learned that this wasn't the first time the Reich had come into a game as the back-up QB. In 84 he led a comeback against the Hurricanes. He took over at the half down 31-0 and won the game with passing TD's including a 68 yard game winner. They out scored Miami 42-9 in the second half!

The biggest highlight of Reich's college career was the comeback he led against the Miami Hurricanes on November 10, 1984 at the Orange Bowl Stadium. Reich came off the bench to play for Stan Gelbaugh, who had previously replaced him as the starter after Reich separated his shoulder in the fourth week of the season against Wake Forest. Quarterback Bernie Kosar had led Miami to a 31–0 halftime lead. At the start of the third quarter, Reich led the Terrapins on multiple scoring drives. Three touchdowns in the third quarter and a fourth at the start of the final quarter turned what was a blowout into a close game. With Miami leading 34–28, Reich hit Greg Hill with a 68-yard touchdown pass, which deflected off the hands of Miami safety Darrell Fullington to take the lead. Maryland scored once more to cap a 42–9 second half, and won 42–40, completing what was then the biggest comeback in NCAA history.[3]

 
I remember the "Comeback" game I was at a friends for a cook out/party with the game on. We lost interest in the game assuming a blow loss for the Bills. When the Bills started scoring I was still kind of checking on the game and paying more attention. When it got close I pointed out to the others what was happening and then we all started watching in amazement and actually cheering the Bills on. We were all Saints fans and really had no interest in either team but you just had to root on the Bills during that comeback. I later learned that this wasn't the first time the Reich had come into a game as the back-up QB. In 84 he led a comeback against the Hurricanes. He took over at the half down 31-0 and won the game with passing TD's including a 68 yard game winner. They out scored Miami 42-9 in the second half!



As a Saints fan but also as a huge NFL fan, Frank Reich never was a great starting NFL QB, never made a Pro Bowl as a starter, but in terms of his accomplishments as a person, his perseverance and commitment to playing hard, competing, learning and analyzing this game we love all so much, not just as a player, but as a SB-winning OC with Eagles in 2017, and now a successful HC with the Colts, he's been an overwhelmingly success as a human being and we as Saints fans and causal observers are far more richer for it.
 
Right now, for Ryan, its a numbers game ...it's very hypocritical and contradictory for HOF voters to all of a sudden create vastly different set of criteria for why a NFL QB with a similar career trajectory as Rivers doesn't get in while other one does.
Correct it is a numbers game the number is 5. The rest of the numbers dont matter. HoF QBs arent judged based on some set of uniform numbers, they are judged the same way all the other positions including coaches are judged...you can only take the best 5. All positions (including coaches) are lumped together and you can only take 5.
 
Warren Moon and the 1992 Houston Oilers probably have that honor, in first building a 28-3 halftime lead then adding on it with a Chris Dishman INT return for a TD early in the 3rd quarter to make it, 35--3. Then Buffalo behind former backup QB (and current Colts HC) managed to pull off, with some poorly called and managed Oilers INTs, to come back and force an OT, at 38-38, then win it, with a Steve Christie FG,,41-38. Nearly 28 years later, NFL fans over the age of 45-50 still remember and discuss the "Comeback", its ramifications for Bills making a third consecutive Super Bowl run and loss, and the long-term implications of Bud Adams losing patience with his talented playoff contender Oilers teams and threatening to blow up the team if they didn't win a Super Bowl in 1993. They got upset by Kansas City, 28--20, next season and Adams, ever the reckless, rash idiotic owner he was went through on his threat and blew up a squad that had made 7 consecutive playoff appearances and then demanded a new-football only stadium, fully publicly financed expense, or else he'd leave or relocate the Oilers eventually to Tennessee. Houston mayor, and city council got sick and tired of his near-decade long blackmail threats to exhort renovations money to Astrodome or else he'd leave via Jacksonville, Birmingham, Ala., or Memphis or Nashville, TN.

Did "The Comeback" hurt Warren Moon's chances of HOF induction? Maybe for a few years it did, but too many writers, voters, and fans examined the whole totality of his career and concluded it was asinine to ignore his career stats, achievements, very long, accomplished tenure as reasons to continue ignoring him being inducted.

Right now, for Ryan, its a numbers game just like Philip Rivers who will probably finish this season with 63,000 passing yards barring injury. Whether we like it or not and despite our hatred for the Falcons and the figurative and literal chest bumps whenever they lose or suck or we temporarily revert to celebrating like college fratboy jocks frothing and cavorting like feral animals on our respective living room floors, if Ryan ends his career with in and around 60-to-62,000 passing yards, again barring serious injury, if Rivers gets in, it's very hypocritical and contradictory for HOF voters to all of a sudden create vastly different set of criteria for why a NFL QB with a similar career trajectory as Rivers doesn't get in while other one does.
Frank Reich had the distinction of being the QB for both the NFL and NCAA div 1 comeback records. In1984, he guided Maryland to a 42-40 win, coming back from a 31-0 halftime deficit at Miami. A buddy of mine played on that Terps team as well. Ted said the team was in the locker room at halftime and no one was down. "The mentality was that we were bigger stronger faster and meaner, and there was no way we were going to lose to the low-class, cheap shot, trash-talking Miami Hurricanes" Ted said the only Hurricane with any class at all, coaches included, was Bernie Kosar.

As regards Ryan, Rivers, and other qb's with gaudy numbers and no championships, they have the definite advantage of playing under rules that favor high-scoring track meets. None of them will ever get tackled like this. A fact likely not lost on the HOF selection committee :hihi:
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My stab at the Final 15
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1 QB Peyton Manning
2 DB Charles Woodson
3 OG Alan Faneca
4 MLB Sam Mills
5 DE Jared Allen
6 OT Tony Boselli
7 FS John Lynch
8 LB Patrick Willis
9 S Rodney Harrison
10 WR Reggie Wayne
11 LB Zach Thomas
12 WR Calvin Johnson
13 DT Richard Seymour
14 DB LeRoy Butler
15 LB Clay Matthews

SR Drew Pearson
You got the first four right. But Jared Allen is way too high and certainly not in the same league as Boselli.
 
Wasn't Clay Mathews with the Rams last season? How is he eligible? I thought it was 5 years out of the game?
His father is elgible.

Clay Matthews II = Cleveland Browns LBer (with short hair)
Clay Matthews III = Packers LBer (with long hair)
 
As much as I love Sam Mills and the entire Dome Patrol, they have to put Carl Banks in the HOF. He was just important to that Giants LB core as SM was to ours. If they don't put Sam Mills in then the process is a scam.
 

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