30 for 30: Michael Vick (2 Viewers)

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Part One airs tonight
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You don’t have to forgive Michael Vick for dogfighting, but ESPN wants you to understand the context.

“Vick,” a two-part “30 for 30” documentary set to air Thursday with the second half premiering the following Thursday, takes a deep dive into the factors that surrounded the former NFL quarterback’s midcareer imprisonment, including race, poverty and sudden stardom and wealth. Among the complexities of his saga are the differing ways communities reacted to his arrest and lengthy sentence, and what to make of his football legacy.

Perhaps the biggest question, though, was raised by the documentary’s director, Stanley Nelson, in a phone interview Wednesday with The Post: “How does something that so many of us see as horribly cruel and torturous, how does anybody not see that?”

“And how, to some people, does this seem like something that’s not wrong?” Nelson added. “So we wanted to examine that.”...........

 

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I will watch this and try to see what made it so terrible and unforgiving in a lot of people's eyes. I never paid attention to the details. I just knew it was dog fighting and it never stirred up any emotions in me.

It's one of those phrases (dog fighting) like "drag racing" or "fly fishing" that for reasons unbeknownst to me, some people like to partake in. I didn't feel any outrage, just surprise that someone would go to jail for it and and serve actual time.
Just recognize the overall cruelty/barbarity of it all..blood death and severed flesh with money exchanging hands, involving an animal western civi consider man's best friend

edit..and on a very large scale, like a large organization that went well beyond state lines as I recall!
 
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What happened years ago was reprehensible. And I understand why someone would have trouble forgiving his involvement.

But this is clearly a changed man who has genuinely humbled himself, learned from his past, and become a mature adult. Good for him.
 

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He was one of the QB's I feared the Saints playing the most. Right up there with Joe Montana, Steve Young and any rookie/backup looking for their 1st NFL win.
Well when he ran it was always terrifying. But his passing never scared me. I remember at one point I was more afraid of him getting hurt and Schaub coming in.
 

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Years ago my wife mentored several students from a background similar to Michael Vick's. She had them over one day while I was doing some landscaping. Due to fires that happened on our property many years before, working in the yard could be like an archaeological dig and on this day I dug up a concrete block where I was going to plant a shrub. The three kids were watching and one says "What's that?" his buddy responds "It's a concrete block. You like what you tie a dog up to"

I hope Michael Vick finds redemption.
Its not Mike that needs redemption. He did his time and has been a standout in the community. It’s the people who refuse to allow him to live it down that need the redemption.
 

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I just finished watching part 2 and I did not expect to walk away feeling like I do. It was one of the best football stories I've ever watched. Very well-directed. It brought up so many emotions in me. Wave after wave. Segment after segment. Sometimes the complexity of human beings is very beautiful to me.

It's the ultimate example of having to learn something the hard way. I don't think we get to see that enough. At least not presented in this manner. It's going to sit with me for a few days, the way it does when you see a really, really good movie and you're still thinking about it a week later.
 

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The lack of people willing to forgive is puzzling to me. People have done far worse and seem to get forgiveness far easier than Vick has. The man paid the price and seems to be a decent man now. Not sure what else he can do to make amends to those refusing forgiveness.
 

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I am sure my forgiveness or lack of, does not keep him awake. I think some people do not realize the attachment others have to dogs. A dog only wants to be loved and love back. I have seen people hit dogs only to see the same dog come back to that person seeking affection. If you dont understand it it's ok. People are different. There are more than likely things out there that I could forgive that you couldnt. when my dog died when I was 1w I was devastated. I still have his picture on my fridge. When my last dog died 2 years ago in may it was like losing a child. My dogs are my family.
 

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Just as background, I am an old white man who grew up in the segregated south. I haven’t watched yet, but as I wrote in another thread a couple of months back, he is near the top of my list of most admired athletes of my lifetime for the transformation he made in his life. He is a wonderful man now after learning from his mistakes as a young man. I watch him on sports talk shows now and find it hard to believe it is the same guy.
 

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I am sure my forgiveness or lack of, does not keep him awake. I think some people do not realize the attachment others have to dogs. A dog only wants to be loved and love back. I have seen people hit dogs only to see the same dog come back to that person seeking affection. If you dont understand it it's ok. People are different. There are more than likely things out there that I could forgive that you couldnt. when my dog died when I was 1w I was devastated. I still have his picture on my fridge. When my last dog died 2 years ago in may it was like losing a child. My dogs are my family.
That's some of it for me. Family is family......a dog is a dog. I've had dogs my entire life and some that I miss to this day but they weren't and never will be my kids. They were pets. What Vick did was dead wrong....I would never condone that but he went to prison and has turned his life around. When someone does something people often say " I hope he gets the help he needs" and yet when this guy does get the help he needs people are willing to make him pay for the rest of his life for it. How many other athletes have done worse but don't get the same cold shoulder?
 

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It’s funny in a way. Some of you are Christians and you’re going to die with the expectation that God will forgive you for your sins and allow you entry into his kingdom.

What happens if he looks at you and says..remember those ants you killed..they were family. They just wanted to feed their queen and build their pile.

can’t forgive you and never will..off to hell with you.

You don’t have to forgive if your reasons for not forgiving are justified and that’s fine...but just remember you’ll be looking for the eye in the sky to do the same for you and your many transgressions that you will partake in at some point.

be well folks
 

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