30 for 30: Michael Vick (2 Viewers)

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Part One airs tonight
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You don’t have to forgive Michael Vick for dogfighting, but ESPN wants you to understand the context.

“Vick,” a two-part “30 for 30” documentary set to air Thursday with the second half premiering the following Thursday, takes a deep dive into the factors that surrounded the former NFL quarterback’s midcareer imprisonment, including race, poverty and sudden stardom and wealth. Among the complexities of his saga are the differing ways communities reacted to his arrest and lengthy sentence, and what to make of his football legacy.

Perhaps the biggest question, though, was raised by the documentary’s director, Stanley Nelson, in a phone interview Wednesday with The Post: “How does something that so many of us see as horribly cruel and torturous, how does anybody not see that?”

“And how, to some people, does this seem like something that’s not wrong?” Nelson added. “So we wanted to examine that.”...........

 

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I am not his God. It is not my job to forgive him. He did not harm me. I believe he changed because he got caught. If he wouldn't have got caught he would still be doing it. 2nd he is a Falcon. I dont care what he does with his life. He was a great athlete but a miserable QB depending on your measurables of a QB. I prefer a tall pocket passer who scrambles out of necessity. With Vick if you didnt force him out of the pocket he was garbage.
 

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He was one of the QB's I feared the Saints playing the most. Right up there with Joe Montana, Steve Young and any rookie/backup looking for their 1st NFL win.
^^This

The young Vick was more dangerous for opposing defenses than Lamar Jackson is today, by far. The Haslett-era defenses had no answer for him. Thankfully for us, his troubles began just as we were still trying to figure out how to support the Payton offense with some defense. Falcons crashed and re-emerged with Ryan, who has been easier to deal with than Vick ever was when he was younger.
 

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I forgot just how cocky he was. Man, he was the worst. But in the NFL, you get rewarded for being the cockiest; and Vick never learned the phrase, "The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Had his cousin not gotten popped which sent the cops to Vick's home which lead them to discovering the dogs which lead to intense media scrutiny because it's Michael Vick, etc., etc.

They're saying, Yeah, it's illegal but ... failing to understand that when it's Michael Vick, they can't continue to operate under, Yeah, it's illegal but we're just going to continue to overlook it. Dog fighting wouldn't have gotten ANYONE popped but a Michael Vick. So much stupidity for him and everyone around him.

Is it equal? Is it fair that my two poster boys (and there are others) for Should Not Be Where They Are is Michael Irvin and ray Lewis have been able to circumvent their crimes and are still "beloved" NFL superstars? Nope.

Now, my heart bleeds for horses and dogs. Seeing the footage they showed was difficult but I wanted to see this story. I could never be a part of it or keep quiet if I knew someone was doing it. (And I think it's ironic that Arthur Blank learned of Vick's indictment on the plane coming back from an African safari.)

One of the interviewees brought up horse racing. Now, I don't think horse racing is cruel. I think horses love to run. But the business can definitely be cruel, and I know where used up race horses go .... and it's not to some big beautiful pasture or barn where they get sweet feed, fresh hay, full water buckets, etc. So the comparison is apt ... to a point.

I want dog fighting stopped. It's unforgivable. But I also want human trafficking stopped. I'll forgive Vick, I think his sentence was too long; but I also don't want to see him lauded again.
 
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The dog fighting will always be associated with Vick and rightfully so. I'm not a dog lover but what he did to those animals was hideous but he paid his debt to society and was justified to be given another chance. He had some good years with the Eagles but when his athleticism started to erode so did his career. That's why I dont understand the crowning of Lamar Jackson so soon. He still has to prove to me he is as elite passing the ball as he is running the ball.
 

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I'll forgive Vick, I think his sentence was too long; but I also don't want to see him lauded again.
I saw where family and supporters were taking about the length of his sentence. But the 2 friends that plea bargained to lesser charges got 18-19 months. I would think there would have be an up roar if Vick would have gotten a lighter sentence than them
 

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The lack of people willing to forgive is puzzling to me. People have done far worse and seem to get forgiveness far easier than Vick has. The man paid the price and seems to be a decent man now. Not sure what else he can do to make amends to those refusing forgiveness.
Ok I'll bite.

Who has done far worse and have been forgiven easier than Vick?

He may be the "decent" person that some people think he is now but the dog fighting stigma is something he'll carry for the rest of his life no matter how many people forgive him or don't forgive him.

There's not a thing that he can do about it.
 

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I wish the animals he tortured and killed was on video. The sentiment would be completely different.

Sorry, takes a sick soul to do some of the stuff he did. He took pleasure out of killing as animals and did it in extremely inhumane ways. It wasnt just dog fighting.
 
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That's some of it for me. Family is family......a dog is a dog. I've had dogs my entire life and some that I miss to this day but they weren't and never will be my kids. They were pets. What Vick did was dead wrong....I would never condone that but he went to prison and has turned his life around. When someone does something people often say " I hope he gets the help he needs" and yet when this guy does get the help he needs people are willing to make him pay for the rest of his life for it. How many other athletes have done worse but don't get the same cold shoulder?
There is a statue of a player in Baltimore. I don't think that guy ever apologized.
 

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Some of you are very judgmental and have very close minds but that's okay because that's the way we were are raised its part of our culture. I been all over the world and something like this happens everywhere. cork fighting, dog fighting, bull fighting, fishing, hunting, etc. Some of you will be riding around looking for prostitutes blind to the fact they might be doing that against there will...but your okay with it that because it's pretty normal. Look at Robert Kraft he is owner of a NFL. Hell look at NFL, Boxing or MMA. why do you watch those? You know the long term damage done to those individuals but most don't care because it's entertainment.

Yes, if Vick didn't get into trouble he more than likely would of never seen anything wrong with it. Most people didn't care but they made an example of him. Vick came back a better person and looks to have learned from his mistakes. I was never a fan of Vick, but I can accept the fact he appears to be a changed man and a man should be judge on who he is today not who he was.
 

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Some of you are very judgmental and have very close minds but that's okay because that's the way we were are raised its part of our culture. I been all over the world and something like this happens everywhere. cork fighting, dog fighting, bull fighting, fishing, hunting, etc.
That's why I can't take the outrage against Vick seriously. There are cultures in this country that shoot and kill animals for sport. They take pictures, smiling with their little kids next to dead animals. There is a dedicated "season" for it. Stores that sell paraphernalia to help them kill ducks and deers and whatever else they wanna blow a hole in. The selective outrage is amusing.
 

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Ok I'll bite.

Who has done far worse and have been forgiven easier than Vick?
Ok I'll bite. I can post a dozen or more truly inspiring acts of forgiveness, yet this one had resonated the most for me...
One by one, those who chose to speak at a bond hearing did not turn to anger. Instead, while he remained impassive, they offered him forgiveness and said they were praying for his soul, even as they described the pain of their losses.
“I forgive you,” Nadine Collier, the daughter of 70-year-old Ethel Lance, said at the hearing, her voice breaking with emotion. “You took something very precious from me. I will never talk to her again. I will never, ever hold her again. But I forgive you. And have mercy on your soul.”

I understand that perpetrators of mass killings will be served the ultimate justice, yet who are you people to keep your knees on someone's neck after victims of far worse acts would so readily offer forgiveness?
 

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That's why I can't take the outrage against Vick seriously. There are cultures in this country that shoot and kill animals for sport. They take pictures, smiling with their little kids next to dead animals. There is a dedicated "season" for it. Stores that sell paraphernalia to help them kill ducks and deers and whatever else they wanna blow a hole in. The selective outrage is amusing.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried really hard to be wrong.

I am a hunter and if I shoot an animal there's a really good chance that it will go into my freezer before eventually making its way to my dinner table. There is a huge difference between sport hunters and people who hunt for food.

Your selective ignorance on the matter is pretty amusing though.
 

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You couldn't be more wrong if you tried really hard to be wrong.

I am a hunter and if I shoot an animal there's a really good chance that it will go into my freezer before eventually making its way to my dinner table. There is a huge difference between sport hunters and people who hunt for food.

Your selective ignorance on the matter is pretty amusing though.
You hunt for food. Because what else is there to eat if not the rump of a deer. As if you have to rely on wild animals for sustenance.

In America, hunting is a sport. It doesn't matter that you consume what you kill. You didn't kill it out of necessity. You hunt because you want to. Because you see nothing wrong it. Because it serves a purpose for you. Because it fulfills something in you.

You're not different. You don't have extenuating circumstances compelling you to hunt.

And don't tell me you're shipwrecked on survivor island with only a gun, a freezer and no boat.

You've got options that don't involve hunting. But you like hunting and so you hunt. Vick (for reasons still unbeknownst to me) liked watching dogs fight, then killed the ones who performed poorly. If only he had chosen to eat them instead.
 

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