30 for 30: Michael Vick (3 Viewers)

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Part One airs tonight
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You don’t have to forgive Michael Vick for dogfighting, but ESPN wants you to understand the context.

“Vick,” a two-part “30 for 30” documentary set to air Thursday with the second half premiering the following Thursday, takes a deep dive into the factors that surrounded the former NFL quarterback’s midcareer imprisonment, including race, poverty and sudden stardom and wealth. Among the complexities of his saga are the differing ways communities reacted to his arrest and lengthy sentence, and what to make of his football legacy.

Perhaps the biggest question, though, was raised by the documentary’s director, Stanley Nelson, in a phone interview Wednesday with The Post: “How does something that so many of us see as horribly cruel and torturous, how does anybody not see that?”

“And how, to some people, does this seem like something that’s not wrong?” Nelson added. “So we wanted to examine that.”...........

 

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It's not my place to forgive or not.

From what I've observed (living in Philly) he recognizes that what he used to do was hideous, and he's tried to make amends, like so many others who either didn't understand society's rules or didn't care, but learned better, either the easy way or the hard. He's served his time and from everything I have read (I did use that internet thingy) it seems that he is spending real personal time trying to help animals now.

Whether it's genuine remorse or just PR I am not sure, but....at this point I am not sure what good the PR would do him, it's not like he'll ever get any more endorsement deals.

Andy Reid, who is the ultimate players' coach, gave him a second chance when he didn't need a starting QB. My gut is that Vick's change is genuine, and that's good enough for me. Peace out.
 

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Just finished reading Marty Smith's book (ESPN personality) "Never Settle". He had a chapter devoted to an interview he did with Michael Vick. It was an excellent read and while I despise what Vick was punished for, I do feel that his attempt at owning up to his mistakes and seeking forgiveness for his misdeeds appears to be genuine .
 

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You hunt for food. Because what else is there to eat if not the rump of a deer. As if you have to rely on wild animals for sustenance.

In America, hunting is a sport. It doesn't matter that you consume what you kill. You didn't kill it out of necessity. You hunt because you want to. Because you see nothing wrong it. Because it serves a purpose for you. Because it fulfills something in you.

You're not different. You don't have extenuating circumstances compelling you to hunt.

And don't tell me you're shipwrecked on survivor island with only a gun, a freezer and no boat.

You've got options that don't involve hunting. But you like hunting and so you hunt. Vick (for reasons still unbeknownst to me) liked watching dogs fight, then killed the ones who performed poorly. If only he had chosen to eat them instead.
Unless you're vegan you have no argument.
 

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Some of you are very judgmental and have very close minds but that's okay because that's the way we were are raised its part of our culture. I been all over the world and something like this happens everywhere. cork fighting, dog fighting, bull fighting, fishing, hunting, etc. Some of you will be riding around looking for prostitutes blind to the fact they might be doing that against there will...but your okay with it that because it's pretty normal. Look at Robert Kraft he is owner of a NFL. Hell look at NFL, Boxing or MMA. why do you watch those? You know the long term damage done to those individuals but most don't care because it's entertainment.

Yes, if Vick didn't get into trouble he more than likely would of never seen anything wrong with it. Most people didn't care but they made an example of him. Vick came back a better person and looks to have learned from his mistakes. I was never a fan of Vick, but I can accept the fact he appears to be a changed man and a man should be judge on who he is today not who he was.
1. Just because it happens in other countries does not make it legal.

2. I dont agree with prostitution not ha e I ever contributed to a prostitute.

3. I watch sports because it is entertainment like you said. The difference is the athletes I watch choose to participate in team sports. Those dogs didnt have a choice. They were tortured, burned and electrocuted against their will.

4. Maybe he is a better person maybe he isnt. You cant watch an interview and know a person's mind.

5. A pedophile may choose to mo longer rape children but he is still a pedophile. You may consider it to be a different crime and abusing animals is not the same thing. That's ok, it's your value system, but you dont get to judge me because I have different values than you.
 

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That's why I can't take the outrage against Vick seriously. There are cultures in this country that shoot and kill animals for sport. They take pictures, smiling with their little kids next to dead animals. There is a dedicated "season" for it. Stores that sell paraphernalia to help them kill ducks and deers and whatever else they wanna blow a hole in. The selective outrage is amusing.
Hunters contribute billions of dollars to nature. I hunt goose, squirrel, rabbit, duck, deer, turkey etc. I kill quickly and efficiently. I dont hold the animal down and torture it. Without hunters animals would over populate. There would be deer starving. Again am I killing an animal? Yes. I dont take questionable shots. I dont light them on fire or electrocute them and watch them suffer in torment while I watch and laugh. Vick is a piece of garbage. I dont care if he feels bad because he got caught and cant do those things any more.
 

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Look if this guy has changed his life so be it. Good for him. It doesnt mean I have to gush about what a great human is. He is who he is and its between him and which ever god he chooses to worship. My decision to not care about him does not effect him in the slightest. He will move on in life and my feelings wont impact him in the slightest. My foot is not on his neck.
 

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You hunt for food. Because what else is there to eat if not the rump of a deer. As if you have to rely on wild animals for sustenance.

In America, hunting is a sport. It doesn't matter that you consume what you kill. You didn't kill it out of necessity. You hunt because you want to. Because you see nothing wrong it. Because it serves a purpose for you. Because it fulfills something in you.

You're not different. You don't have extenuating circumstances compelling you to hunt.

And don't tell me you're shipwrecked on survivor island with only a gun, a freezer and no boat.

You've got options that don't involve hunting. But you like hunting and so you hunt. Vick (for reasons still unbeknownst to me) liked watching dogs fight, then killed the ones who performed poorly. If only he had chosen to eat them instead.
There's a world of difference between hunting and eating what you shoot and dog fighting. I don't go out into the woods and put two deer or squirrels or rabbits against each other in a fight to the death.

When I harvest an animal it is done as quickly and humanely as possible.You can't say the same thing about dog fighting.

There are no laws against hunting and again the same can't be said about dog fighting. I have never killed in excess of 100 animals and then just discarded and buried the carcasses like Vick did. When his property was raided and they found the dead animals they stopped counting at something like 115 dead dogs.

The only reason that Vick has become this "better person" that people seem to think he has become is because he got caught.......................plain and simple!!
 

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There's a world of difference between hunting and eating what you shoot and dog fighting. I don't go out into the woods and put two deer or squirrels or rabbits against each other in a fight to the death.

When I harvest an animal it is done as quickly and humanely as possible.You can't say the same thing about dog fighting.

There are no laws against hunting and again the same can't be said about dog fighting. I have never killed in excess of 100 animals and then just discarded and buried the carcasses like Vick did. When his property was raided and they found the dead animals they stopped counting at something like 115 dead dogs.

The only reason that Vick has become this "better person" that people seem to think he has become is because he got caught.......................plain and simple!!
You need there to be "a world of difference" between the two
so you can remain self-righteous. In the end, the animals are dead and unlike Vick, you ingest the animals.

But in your head, you are 100% justified. It's funny how we can always find ways to justify what WE want to do. How we can always find ways to make ourselves "right." But I don't see what you do as anymore necessary or more legitimate than dog fighting.

I don't see how you can be 100% ok with one and completely "outraged" by the other. Being hypocritical has always gone hand-in-hand with self-righteousness.
 

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Hunters contribute billions of dollars to nature. I hunt goose, squirrel, rabbit, duck, deer, turkey etc. I kill quickly and efficiently. I dont hold the animal down and torture it. Without hunters animals would over populate. There would be deer starving. Again am I killing an animal? Yes. I dont take questionable shots. I dont light them on fire or electrocute them and watch them suffer in torment while I watch and laugh. Vick is a piece of garbage. I dont care if he feels bad because he got caught and cant do those things any more.
Blah, blah, blah I know. You are justified. See my response above.
 

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Blah, blah, blah I know. You are justified. See my response above.
LOL there is no discussion here. You make the comparison of hunters vs a man who electrocuted, burned and drowned dogs, not just 1 or 2 but over a hundred, for his enjoyment of watching them die. Forgive him all you want. He is an animal. He is an abuser. He does not deserve my adulation or respect.
 

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LOL there is no discussion here. You make the comparison of hunters vs a man who electrocuted, burned and drowned dogs, not just 1 or 2 but over a hundred, for his enjoyment of watching them die. Forgive him all you want. He is an animal. He is an abuser. He does not deserve my adulation or respect.
Stop lying. No need to exaggerate what he did or why he did it in order to prop up your own actions.
 

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Stop lying. No need to exaggerate what he did or why he did it in order to prop up your own actions.
Hey, you're the one insulting and trying g to force your belief system on someone else. When I take an animals life, I kneel and pray and give thanks. Before I begin my hunt I pray that God gives me the ability to hit on the first shot and make the kill quick and painless.

There all kinds of studies that prove hunting is needed to keep animal populations in check, keep down animal disease etc. You can also find studies that show the impact the billions of dollars hunters spend provide a positive impact on the environment.

Here, I will agree with you if you can show me 1 benefit of murdering dogs. Just one benefit of how electrocuting, burning and drowning dogs provides a positive impact to the environment and nature.

You cant. It doesnt exist.
 

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Oh yeah, what I do is legal btw.
 

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Hey, you're the one insulting and trying g to force your belief system on someone else. When I take an animals life, I kneel and pray and give thanks. Before I begin my hunt I pray that God gives me the ability to hit on the first shot and make the kill quick and painless.

There all kinds of studies that prove hunting is needed to keep animal populations in check, keep down animal disease etc. You can also find studies that show the impact the billions of dollars hunters spend provide a positive impact on the environment.

Here, I will agree with you if you can show me 1 benefit of murdering dogs. Just one benefit of how electrocuting, burning and drowning dogs provides a positive impact to the environment and nature.

You cant. It doesnt exist.
You pray that god gives you the skill to kill the animals he put on the earth... so you can help him keep their population down? It all makes sense now. :smilielol:
 

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Sure pick and choose what you want. I do pray for the skill to make a quick and clean kill.

How about the rest of my post? Oh, you dont have a leg to stand on. Later Francis I am done.
 

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I am sure my forgiveness or lack of, does not keep him awake. I think some people do not realize the attachment others have to unarmed black men murdered by police. A black guy only wants to be loved and love back. I have seen police murder black men only to see the same police escape conviction for their actions. If you dont understand it it's ok. People are different. There are more than likely things out there that I could forgive that you couldnt. when my [insert son, brother, uncle, father, friend] died I was devastated. I still have his picture on my fridge. Can't imagine what it like losing a child. These guys were family to someone.
Yeah, I totally get it now. The next time someone says just get over incidences of police brutality, I'll point them to the thread about how hard it is to get over Michael Vick.
 

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