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CNN affiliate KTRK reported. Deputies said the suspect pulled up next to the car and opened fire.


Gonzalez said the girl’s mother, LaPorsha Washington, 30, was wounded. The sheriff’s office said glass fragments injured a younger child. Two teens were unharmed.


The mother and daughter are black. The suspect, who authorities are describing as a white male in his 40s, fled the scene in a red truck.
I hope they find this disturbed individual. Maybe this was just a road rage incident, but the racial overtones are quite obvious.

I don't know what to say beyond that except it's bitterly disappointing that lives are so valueless to some people.
 

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Honest question, why?

For nothing else in society do we seemingly beg people to wait til the last possible second to draw inferences about motive.

I fully get and get behind the notion of waiting til a reasonable level of evidence is out before calling for your pound of flesh, it's why I stayed out of this thread as long as a I did, even though I don't fault people for hypothesizing when an eye witness pinned the shooter as a white male in a Wal-Mart parking lot. But there is a pretty important meta question about why it is that race, at least for one particular group, is so sensitive that we are actually trying to punish it to the point of suppressing it's mention compared to all other suspected motives. We can assume road rage, Islamic terrorism, anti-Americanism, but to assume race is beyond the pale.
I call for caution in all things before jumping to conclusions. My posting history backs that up.

I can't speak for anyone else.
 

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It's just weird to me coming onto these discussion forums and contrasting the experience with real life and all available evidence.

By the accounts you hear here, America is a bastion of tolerance and equality and the real problem is over-sensitive liberals seeing racism when it doesn't exist. The real problem, is not racism, but people that are too quick to apply that label to a fading problem. Racism is but a fleeting thing on the fringes of society and the real issue is the groups that make it a centralized focus like BLM, SPLC, ACLU, Antifa, Social-Justice activists, and Democrats. Or people that choose to protest or hypothesize that incidents may be race related. If we just stop giving it over-sized attention, it will go away.

Now the internet is a funny place, so maybe it is insulation, self-sheltering, or too much time in certain echo chambers, but it remains an incredibly out of touch position. And an incredibly contradictory one.

I mean we know for instance that when Twitter started kicking off racists and racially charged trolls, the alt-right created a safe space for their brand of hate(I'm sorry "free-speech") and called it GAB. A mostly American site that has 800,000 active members. The most prominent users being Richard Spencer, various Unite The Right leaders, and far-right conservative voices. We know that all other things being equal, an unarmed black person is more likely to be fatally shot by a police officer than their white counterpart. We know that all other things being equal, a black person is more likely to be stopped by police officers in routine patrols. We know that leading up to the financial crisis black people, in contrast to their white counterparts, were often targeted and forced into subprime loans despite being equally qualified for non-subprime loans. We know that redlining is still alive and well with multi-million dollar settlements over the last few years from a number of the most high profile banks including Chase and Wells Fargo, and successful lawsuits in about a dozen states with smaller community banks. And we know that racially motivated violence is both wildly under-reported and has still been on a notable incline in recent years, with more and more high and low profile incidents. Heck, we know people are racist because every time Google, Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook try and create AI programs that use human internet data, they inexplicably end up a perverted, racist peice of work.

Now if this were Islamic terrorism we would hear cries that America is putting their head in the sand, unable to confront the real threats to safety, not doing nearly enough. Build a wall, stop immigrants from middle east coming in, label terrorist attacks Islamic at the soonest possible moment, stop coddling a violent religion and admit this problem is systemic etc.......But if you do that about America's problem of racism????? Say draw a hypothesis from eye witness testimony that identifies a white male shooting into a parked car at a Wal Mart shopping center? Well assuming road rage is fine, but not racism.
You've just completely ignored what I posted to the point of not even responding to me with a quote and simply repeating what you previously said in a much more lengthy post.

I wish I had more time to address this discussion, but I simply don't. Not if I want to continue to get paid. I can't just keep repeating myself in different and more defined ways. My New Year's resolution was to stay out of these threads for these very reasons. I've already broken that, but thank you for the sharp reminder of why I should stick with that resolution for good.
 

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I call for caution in all things before jumping to conclusions. My posting history backs that up.

I can't speak for anyone else.
Right and so do I, my point is toward the larger conversation this thread(and the dozens of others that preceded and will no doubt follow this one in the weeks to follow) evokes.

If caution is your mantra and you stick to it, thats a good thing, I personally try to do so myself. But thats rarely how the cycle of these things work. There is a pattern and a normative framework that seems to diverge and uniquely govern a situation based on who and what the suspected motive is.

America has done a poor job finding a framework for this discussion, and often I see threads like this completely sidestep it. This is just me bringing attention to it in hopes
 
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Hmmm, random highway shooting vs mass killing. When the white kid went into an all black church and killed several parishioners, yep, that's most assuredly a hate crime. That's a fair assessment. A white male randomly shooting up a car with black people in it on the highway, not so much. I honestly don't get how road rage is not the most likely hypothesis. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that the first conclusion that is jumped to is race, simply because the shooter was supposedly white & the victims black. Here's some info I found on road rage incidents:

Road rage is so common and prevalent in this country that it has it's own name, yet what comes first in some of your minds is race and act as if simple road rage doesn't even exist.

No, and that's where you're really wrong. I think that mislabeling or jumping to assumptions, especially by the media and our leaders, is damaging to our society and making racial harmony more difficult. As I said, it has a crying wolf affect that throws skepticism over a real and valid issue.
I believe that road rage was never one of the primary suspected motives because there was no reason or indication that road rage would have been prompted. It wasn't a busy road, there was no interaction between the drivers, there was no accident, there wasn't any yelling back and forth. Basically, there was nothing initially to indicate that it would be a prime motive in the case.

That's the very reason that it was initially suspected that it was a hate crime. I remember that road rage was ruled out pretty quickly initially.

And just to make a point, it's the wrong motive. Just like a hate crime was the wrong motive. So even if you suspected or thought it could have been road rage, you where also wrong. Just like those that thought it might have been a hate crime.
 

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There is a huge difference in suspecting this was a racial incident and declaring that it was a racial incident. There are enough racial problems in this country, we don't have to declare everything as racist just because an incident involves people of two different races.
 

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Shaun King said the same thing - that there's a danger there and that the witness (who, at the time of the first releases of information) is probably somewhere fearing for his life.

It can be incredibly perilous.

Reddit's role in the Boston Bomber attack is one example that comes to mind. That was a totally tragic wreck for a number of reasons. And highlighted the dangerous irresponsibility you are talking about.

When the suspect was initially white, the discussion around race was about how it was a racist white dude who wanted to shoot up some black people (something that has obviously happened, and recently, and probably in a lot of people's minds) and that becomes the jumped-to conclusion. When it came out that the police were searching for someone black, I saw comments about how "mom was a drug dealer and this was a deal gone bad" and "mom was a gang banger who crossed the wrong person and she's trying to hide her past" and such, with references to black on black violence and gang-related crime. The race of the suspect played the same inflammatory role for people, but this time it was flipped. Same incident, a matter of hours and we see extremes employed.

Most murders aren't motivated by racial animus, but when something like this happens - one of the first things people reach for because of the "lightning pace" is a racial angle.

Mistaken identities or wrong information at that point can be dangerous to innocent people, risking even more innocent lives.
I agree with this.
But it also seems worth it to point out, that there appears (at least) to be a difference from some people posting things about the mother on Facebook, Twitter, and message boards to further a narrative or whatever vs. CNN or another major outlet pushing a narrative.

And I don't necessarily mean to imply a motive other than views - a white racist shooting and killing a random 7 year old black girl is going to get far more views than a gang revenge killing gone bad.

hysteria caused by ratings driven news is a real problem - and it seems to be getting exponentially worse.

Still - I don;t think ti was an unreasonable thought to have had that this shooting was motivated by race - I just think running with that, and exploiting it, before the facts are in is terrible.
 

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You've just completely ignored what I posted to the point of not even responding to me with a quote and simply repeating what you previously said in a much more lengthy post.

I wish I had more time to address this discussion, but I simply don't. Not if I want to continue to get paid. I can't just keep repeating myself in different and more defined ways. My New Year's resolution was to stay out of these threads for these very reasons. I've already broken that, but thank you for the sharp reminder of why I should stick with that resolution for good.
You mean the response where you essentially proved my thesis for me?

What more do you want me to say?


You are getting flippant and outraged that people hypothesized possible racial motivations when they heard from eye witness testimony that the shooter was white and approached a parked car in a wal-mart parking lot and fired indiscriminately.....though it would be totally cool if they hypothesized road rage, since it happens with frequency(though for the sake of posterity, you linked something talking about 12,000 incidents over 7 years, if the operating logic is that occurrence is the justification for ranking motives, it's worth noting that there were 7000 reported hate crimes....last year alone....and that is with study after study showing these crimes are under reported ).

You opened all this with a paragraph simultaneously defending profiling and motive assuming and then saying it is beyond the pale in this instance. A contradiction I frankly just dont know what to do with.
 

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