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CNN affiliate KTRK reported. Deputies said the suspect pulled up next to the car and opened fire.


Gonzalez said the girl’s mother, LaPorsha Washington, 30, was wounded. The sheriff’s office said glass fragments injured a younger child. Two teens were unharmed.


The mother and daughter are black. The suspect, who authorities are describing as a white male in his 40s, fled the scene in a red truck.
I hope they find this disturbed individual. Maybe this was just a road rage incident, but the racial overtones are quite obvious.

I don't know what to say beyond that except it's bitterly disappointing that lives are so valueless to some people.
 

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I mentioned in the other thread about generalizing and stereotyping entire groups of people.
Oh, okay.

I don't really feel compelled to argue against the strawmen you built, you can play with those yourself. I thought my use of the term "Islamists" made it clear I was not speaking of those Muslims who may want to live peacefully and demonstrate some tolerance and respect for human rights.

I think you are probably correct that living in Toronto does not give one the perspective of living in a state where Islam rules the day. I have seen first hand the tyranny of nations heavily influenced by Islam. It leaves an impression that anyone who cares about other humans is not likely to forget. You can wish away such wickedness if you like, but I will not have any part of that.
 

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Of course I’m talking about Shaun King
I think Shaun King can do, and has done, more damage than he helps and I don't really consider him someone I look to as 'media'. But in this case, his social media presence and public calls for tips led to a tip that led to the arrest, a tip that Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said moved them in a direction *other than* a 'white man in his 40s driving a red pickup'

A tip from activist Shaun King led police to a suspect in the killing of Jazmine Barnes

On Wednesday evening King had tweeted he had combed through hundreds of tips. "Mostly garbage," he said. "All well meaning. 3-4 helpful. Working with the family and local authorities. Some promising leads, but not nearly enough."

Gonzalez said Sunday that one of King's tips "provided a much different angle to what we were initially looking at," alluding to the fact authorities initially said the suspect was a white man in his 40s driving a red pickup truck. Black is a 20-year-old African-American man. The white man in the red truck was likely just a witness, the sheriff told reporters.
and the Sheriff thanked him personally for his role in the arrest:

"I want to thank again Shaun King for his activism and help and raising awareness and the monies that were put forward to be able to generate those calls," Gonzalez said.
I have no problem with someone being critical or skeptical of King, but I think he should get some credit here for the part he played.
 

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I think Shaun King generally does mean well, and wants to be helpful. He doesn’t always achieve that goal, but here it does look like he was able to rise above stereotypes and be of genuine service.
 
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I think Shaun King can do, and has done, more damage than he helps and I don't really consider him someone I look to as 'media'. But in this case, his social media presence and public calls for tips led to a tip that led to the arrest, a tip that Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said moved them in a direction *other than* a 'white man in his 40s driving a red pickup'

A tip from activist Shaun King led police to a suspect in the killing of Jazmine Barnes



and the Sheriff thanked him personally for his role in the arrest:



I have no problem with someone being critical or skeptical of King, but I think he should get some credit here for the part he played.
I can respect that. He’s a tool otherwise.
 

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But....muh narrative :(

Maybe this is an opportunity for self-reflection for some people. Maybe we can openly wonder why the media pushed this story, and why it is currently the hottest thread on the EE. I mean there were 280 murders in Houston last year. How many did you hear about? How many were a popular topic of discussion on the EE? But oh man, white guy in a red pickup truck murders a little black girl in Texas. That's juicy, I gotta admit. I know that was some tasty bait for several people on the EE.

RIP to the little girl, who we never would have heard about if it wasn't reported that the murderer was a white man.
Why does the revelation of who actually committed this murder garner this response? Are some of you really this sensitive to any story that may contain an issue of race?

From what I know of the case, everything that you would hope would happen after a murder like this is what has actually happened. First I'll just stipulate that "Yes", this absolutely became a larger national story because of the apparent possibility (early on) that this my have been an anonymous hate crime. We know now that wasn't the case, but why does that cause you so much consternation? Certainly, what was known early on pointed to that possibility, or do you disagree?

But that wasn't the only reason it became a big national story. There was also the fact that it was a mother and her daughters that were shot at and killed during an early morning grocery run, with no apparent motive for the crime. There was a city wide manhunt on of the killer. There was a need for the public to know and for tips. There was a lot of fear in the community because of the unknowns. There was a beautiful little girl that was brutally murdered and her family having to cope with her loss. These factors alone would have caused this story to go nationwide regardless of race. If you're being honest with yourself, you know that.

The fact that it may have been a hate crime didn't drive the investigation alone. It was considered one avenue of investigation. With the news coverage and tips that came in, they were able to identify the correct killers. The family is grateful that the right killers where found, even if they were surprised. Nobody gave false or erroneous information. Nobody was trying to pin this crime on a "white guy" to get even or for any other reason. So why are people reacting like this.

Credit to the Sheriff and his deputies for locating the driver of the car and to Shawn King for turning over the tip, hopefully they will find the shooter quickly as well. I doubt that the race of the shooter or his reasons or the fact that apparently the killers where looking for another car matter all that much to the family. They are still dealing with the heartbreaking loss of their child. It matters little to me either. I'm just glad that they have one in custody and know who they're looking for now.
 
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Why does the revelation of who actually committed this murder garner this response? Are some of you really this sensitive to any story that may contain an issue of race?

From what I know of the case, everything that you would hope would happen after a murder like this is what has actually happened. First I'll just stipulate that "Yes", this absolutely became a larger national story because of the apparent possibility (early on) that this my have been an anonymous hate crime. We know now that wasn't the case, but why does that cause you so much consternation? Certainly, what was known early on pointed to that possibility, or do you disagree?
I'll take a stab at it. I think part of it stems from the perception that any negative encounter between people of different races brings about not just a presumption that the event was the result of racial animus, but an irrebuttable presumption this was the case. Take for example the incidents cited in the "why do white people keep calling the cops on black people" thread. I can recall one incident in that thread that was obviously racially motivated. Race may have played a factor in others, but the fact is that people treat each other poorly for many reasons. In that thread, we actually had at least one poster who was taking the position that in the absence of video evidence of white people calling the police on other white people for trivial crap, that it simply does not occur. The reality is that if one does not have at least one neighbor who is a little flakey and is to be avoided at all costs, then that person should consider himself lucky.

In this instance the OP, to his credit, did acknowledge that the event may have been caused by a number of factors. But, to be honest, that disclaimer felt like he was giving himself cover to say what he in fact went on to say, "that the racial overtones are quite obvious." Personally, my impression is that the OP is generally inclined to have a "let's wait for the facts" attitude, so I felt like it was just his wording that made that statement more abrasive than if he had said something like, "the facts do seem to present the possibility that this was racially motivated."
 
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In this instance the OP, to his credit, did acknowledge that the event may have been caused by a number of factors. But, to be honest, that disclaimer felt like he was giving himself cover to say what he in fact went on to say, "that the racial overtones are quite obvious." Personally, my impression is that the OP is generally inclined to have a "let's wait for the facts" attitude, so I felt like it was just his wording that made that statement more abrasive than if he had said something like, "the facts do seem to present the possibility that this was racially motivated."
You are correct. I really didn't think much about how I worded that statement, but it seems everyone else was much more concerned with it than I was. It was just a nod to the fact that some would place a racial impact on this.

I've learned from this and will choose more carefully next time.
 

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You are correct. I really didn't think much about how I worded that statement, but it seems everyone else was much more concerned with it than I was. It was just a nod to the fact that some would place a racial impact on this.

I've learned from this and will choose more carefully next time.
Hah, it's a lot easier lesson than learning, for example, it's better to ask your spouse if she has" had a chance to" do something rather than asking if she has "bothered to."
 

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I'll take a stab at it. I think part of it stems from the perception that any negative encounter between people of different races brings about not just a presumption that the event was the result of racial animus, but an irrebuttable presumption this was the case. Take for example the incidents cited in the "why do white people keep calling the cops on black people" thread. I can recall one incident in that thread that was obviously racially motivated. Race may have played a factor in others, but the fact is that people treat each other poorly for many reasons. In that thread, we actually had at least one poster who was taking the position that in the absence of video evidence of white people calling the police on other white people for trivial crap, that it simply does not occur. The reality is that if one does not have at least one neighbor who is a little flakey and is to be avoided at all costs, then that person should consider himself lucky.

In this instance the OP, to his credit, did acknowledge that the event may have been caused by a number of factors. But, to be honest, that disclaimer felt like he was giving himself cover to say what he in fact went on to say, "that the racial overtones are quite obvious." Personally, my impression is that the OP is generally inclined to have a "let's wait for the facts" attitude, so I felt like it was just his wording that made that statement more abrasive than if he had said something like, "the facts do seem to present the possibility that this was racially motivated."
I mean ... I guess. I'll just be honest, it comes of as being hypersensitive to anything being labeled a race issue. In that sense, you're no better than the people you accuse of race baiting for everything.

We know we have a race and hate crime problem in America (and all over the world for that matter). And we know that in America's history, a lot of that has been white on black hate crimes. So to look at a situation like this one and think that race may have played a roll in the murder based off what we initially knew, isn't extreme or race bating or anything other than common sense. Of course, we now know that not to be the case, but that was always a possibility as well.

We just didn't know that much, which leads everybody to try and fill in the blanks. Thankfully, with the tips that where provided, the police filled in the right blanks that led them to the right assailant.
 
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I'll take a stab at it. I think part of it stems from the perception that any negative encounter between people of different races brings about not just a presumption that the event was the result of racial animus, but an irrebuttable presumption this was the case. Take for example the incidents cited in the "why do white people keep calling the cops on black people" thread. I can recall one incident in that thread that was obviously racially motivated. Race may have played a factor in others, but the fact is that people treat each other poorly for many reasons. In that thread, we actually had at least one poster who was taking the position that in the absence of video evidence of white people calling the police on other white people for trivial crap, that it simply does not occur. The reality is that if one does not have at least one neighbor who is a little flakey and is to be avoided at all costs, then that person should consider himself lucky.

In this instance the OP, to his credit, did acknowledge that the event may have been caused by a number of factors. But, to be honest, that disclaimer felt like he was giving himself cover to say what he in fact went on to say, "that the racial overtones are quite obvious." Personally, my impression is that the OP is generally inclined to have a "let's wait for the facts" attitude, so I felt like it was just his wording that made that statement more abrasive than if he had said something like, "the facts do seem to present the possibility that this was racially motivated."
here's the thing yes there could also be many other granular reasons for bad behavior
but as social beings we operate on both a individual and social levels
to focus exclusively on the individual ignores broad (statistically demonstrated) trends

but the rub:
i believe you and i check the same broad demographic boxes
this almost certainly means that neither of us have experienced the specifics of racism, or misogyny, or homophobia, or xenophobia
because of that i tend to believe those who are most likely to experience those things
of course that means i'm going to get it wrong occasionally
but it's my firmly held believe that you check power and question the status quo when you can
 

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This thread got silly.

It all started for a simple reason. The Authorities gave out the wrong information about the shooters, which lead to the obvious question about motive. Now, this was likely do to an error on the family's part, as they were shocked and may have misidentified a witness as the killer. There was no clear motive, so race would seemingly be the most plausible motive with the little information gathered.

Then it became this odd capital punishment discussion and punishment fetishes that many people have. Read comments on any social media post about a lesser crime or a short jail sentence and watch people lose their minds over it.

Then, come to find out, all of the initial information we received about the crime and suspect was wrong. It was just a gang related retaliation shooting gone wrong, due to mistaken identity.

Based on that, it's more of a story about gang violence out of control and how the innocents get caught in the middle.

This is an example of how the spread of information at a lightening pace can be a problem. What if the public found the "suspect" in the sketch and took matters into their own hands?

There probably isn't really much more to discuss or debate at this point. Most of the arguments that have ensued are just silly at this point.
 

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I mean ... I guess. I'll just be honest, it comes of as being hypersensitive to anything being labeled a race issue. In that sense, you're no better than the people you accuse of race baiting for everything.

We know we have a race and hate crime problem in America (and all over the world for that matter). And we know that in America's history, a lot of that has been white on black hate crimes. So to look at a situation like this one and think that race may have played a roll in the murder based off what we initially knew, isn't extreme or race bating or anything other than common sense. Of course, we know that now not to be the case, but that was always a possibility as well.

We just didn't know that much, which leads everybody to try and fill in the blanks. Thankfully, with the tips that where provided, the police filled in the right blanks that led them to the right assailant.
I am not oblivious to the possibility that the facts as presented raised the possibility that this was a hate crime, and I admit to thinking something like, "please don't let it turn out that the peice of work shooter is a deranged racist." It would not have changed the fact that an innocent child is dead, but we don't need more of that crap.


here's the thing yes there could also be many other granular reasons for bad behavior
but as social beings we operate on both a individual and social levels
to focus exclusively on the individual ignores broad (statistically demonstrated) trends

but the rub:
i believe you and i check the same broad demographic boxes
this almost certainly means that neither of us have experienced the specifics of racism, or misogyny, or homophobia, or xenophobia
because of that i tend to believe those who are most likely to experience those things
of course that means i'm going to get it wrong occasionally
but it's my firmly held believe that you check power and question the status quo when you can
Fair enough. As you noted, neither of us have eliminated the possibility of error. You are just more likely to err on one side and I am more likely to err on the other. Maybe that's not a bad thing, as it tends to keep people in check and bring balance.

I do have an issue with the use of "power" as a category. Is that post modern bullshirt coming out? I also note that believing people on the basis of their identity is not without its hazards. At the same time I recognize that different experiences bring about different experiences. I started to give examples of my own life experiences (which are not what you would expect), but quite frankly that has a very cringeworthy virtue signaling feel to it and nobody has the stomach for that.
 

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I think we can all agree that the mom gets a free pass on this one. It was dark. She got shot. Her baby girl is dead. God bless and keep her.

Various news outlets chose to give this story lots of "play." The one I saw the most was CNN. This was not an arbitrary choice, an editorial-level decision made this one of the most newsworthy stories of the day on their network, nationally. I question that decision.

Once it was revealed that there wasn't a redneck in a red pick up truck hunting black people, CNN did report that Sean King had broken the case and they gave the story equal play. That is a good thing.

Sean King deserves recognition for his integrity and he got a well-deserved thank you from the police.

I would not compare this case to the Tawana Brawly case. She deliberately lied and mislead.

Instead, I'd compare it to the Atlanta child murders, where the media spent a good deal of time speculating that there was a white person out there hunting black children. Turned out it was a black guy, though some folks still choose not to acknowledge it.
 

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