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I'm not saying sacks are worthless, but they don't define a pass rush.
Sacks and pressures are the same thing. Any sack leader is going to have pressures, fumbles, bad throws, holding penalties. Sacks are a very important. Period. The 7 sack leaders last year played on teams that averaged 11 wins. Doesn't that tell you anything?
Yes but you can pressure a QB without actually getting a sack.
Sacks and pressures are the same thing. Any sack leader is going to have pressures, fumbles, bad throws, holding penalties. Sacks are a very important. Period. The 7 sack leaders last year played on teams that averaged 11 wins. Doesn't that tell you anything?
Yes, it tells me what I already knew: sacks are good, but not the be-all, end-all. Pressures and sacks are not the same thing. You can get pressure without producing a sack. You can pressure the QB all day long and have 0 sacks.
Teams that win 11 games are more likely to be leading for a good portion of the game and more likely to have a double-digit lead, which leads to less running and more passing by the opposing team. The more opportunities you have to rush the QB, the more sacks you are likely to have. If Player A has 10 sacks and Player B has 8, it doesn't necessarily mean Player A is better. He could be on a team who holds big leads more often than Player B's team. Player A could be an all-or-nothing player who only has 1 move and if he doesn't sack the QB he does nothing but get pushed out of the play (Bobby McCray) while Player B can get pressure without producing a sack.
Again, no one said sacks are worthless. But they don't tell you everything.
just ask tom brady who wasn't sacked once against the jets.
If you get a ton of pressures, the sacks will come. Sacks are easily the best way to measure pass rush ability.
And if you have a guy that gets a lot of pressures and no sacks, it simply tells you that they are not good finishers. The elite pass rushers that teams covet finish plays and cause turnovers, they don't just "cause pressure".
Elite pass rushers can do that, but that's why they're elite. What about the rest? There are very few elite pass rushers. In a group of 10 good pass rushers, how do you rank them? Just by sacks?
If you have 2 elite pass rushers, 1 with more sacks but fewer forced fumbles and 1 with fewer sacks but more forced fumbles, which would you call the better pass rusher?
Elite pass rushers can do that, but that's why they're elite. What about the rest? There are very few elite pass rushers. In a group of 10 good pass rushers, how do you rank them? Just by sacks?
If you have 2 elite pass rushers, 1 with more sacks but fewer forced fumbles and 1 with fewer sacks but more forced fumbles, which would you call the better pass rusher?
If your argument was "you can't rate a DE strictly off of sacks", then I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. But the argument is that "sacks are not the best measurement of a _pass rusher_", which is unequivocally wrong.
2) the pass rush from the de position. Grant and Smith are pretty much waisting spots. Both need to be upgraded as it appears star caps was the only thing keeping them in shape. They provide 0 push. Look at New York's DE's Tuck and Osi. They collapse the pocket and make plays. Same for Jarred Allen, etc. Our DE's are making HUGE amounts of money for LITTLE production.
Go to the NFL stats and find a few sack leading DE's or OLB's, and you will usually find winning teams.
The linebacker De Marcus Ware of the Cowboys led all NFL players in sacks last year with 20. They didnt make the playoffs. Again.
The leading defensive lineman was John Abraham of the Falcons with 14 sacks. They did make the playoffs but lets look deeper.
James Harrison the linebacker for the Super Bowl champion Steelers was third in sacks at 15. But no Steeler lineman cracked the top 30 in sacks.
No Ravens player was in the top 30 in sacks, and they play the Steelers twice a year and Roethlisberger hands out sacks like candy.
No Cardinals player was in the top 30. They did pretty good last year
2 Raiders, 2 Lions, 2 Rams and 2 49er players players were top 30 in sacks.
And they all got really good draft picks this year
Also one 2008 Saints player, Mc Cray was in 26th place with 6 sacks. As I remember it our pass defense was not exactly stellar last year.
Sacks are good to have of course but some pretty good defenses manage to be pretty good with players who do not get lots of sacks. And some grandma kickin ugly defenses manage to be turrible despite having some linemen and linebackers with large numbers of sacks. So maybe huge numbers of sacks might not be the best indicator a winning team or the best measure of a defensive lineman.
Sacks are just tackles for losses, same as what happens to running backs all the time anyway. Nothing especially magical about a sack except the cool factor of seeing a QB laid out flat on his back and wriggling his arms and legs like a flipped over turtle.