A different LSU option, can Delpit replace Von Bell? (1 Viewer)

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I am convinced more the ever that Drew came for another shot at the title. I am convinced also he has been informed in details of the organization plans for 2020.

So I will like to start a very preliminary draft conversation.

thinking on the obvious needs, we have the departures of Andrus Pete, Von Bell and the need of a second receiver.

I think we have in house the replacement for Pete was in Nick Easton. We can delay drafting an interior lineman for later rounds.

This a deep draft for receivers, so maybe we can delay until the third round to-pick one.

And the it’s strong safety. I love Bell and for that reason he will get an offer elsewhere. I liked what I saw of Delpit but you guys as homers should have a more informed opinion.

Your thoughts if he will fit with our team?
 

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Honey Badger was way smaller. Can't judge heart/tackling by the size of the player.

With that said... Delpit did take a step back this past season. May be because of the shoulder injury. May be that he simply regressed... but someone will get a good player wherever he goes.
Mathieu has a compact build though. Despite is long and lean. I don't see him being very durable at the next level.
 

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Perhaps an injury was a factor, but in 2019 Delpit did not look like a first-round draft pick.
 
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Delpit could/should turn into what Vonn Bell is now. Similar players and I'll go out on a limb and say similar ceilings. But that would likely take some time. Vonn Bell is that good now. SS contracts aren't usually a premium and even if he gets some nice offers, our front office has shown that they will find the cap room to fit in our guys. I agree with Ellias, it's almost a certainty we'll have a new #2 CB next season. I really don't like the idea of having 2 new faces back there. Familiarity is important. An offense can score on you just as often on a mis-communication as it can from a DB getting burned. Probably more often.

Also, I don't really feel comfortable with Easton as our starter. In fact, that's the position I'm expecting us to take with our first pick in the draft. Not necessarily targeting a position over BPA, I just feel like our FO puts a lot of positional value on OL, DL, and CB. As it should. Of the 3, it seems blue-chip DL and CBs don't slide. A top OG could very well slide right to us. Like last year with the OC McCoy.
Delpit and Bell are different types. Delpit is waaaaaay rangier. Bell is a little more rugged in the box. I would make Delpit my free safety.
 

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Delpit and Bell are different types. Delpit is waaaaaay rangier. Bell is a little more rugged in the box. I would make Delpit my free safety.
That's exactly my take away, a team that takes Delpit would be smart to utilize him as a Single-High, center fielding Free Safety to take advantage of his strengths. Ranginess, ball skills.

He's not a junk-yard dog, Box Safety like Bell is, the guy that better fits that role in the Draft is McKinney from Alabama, it's how he was utilized in college plus he has the build, frame for that role.
 

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What I really like about Grant Delpit is he could play either safety spot IMO. So we could draft him this year to battle CGJ for Vonn Bell’s starting strong safety spot. Then he could also battle Marcus Williams for the starting free safety spot. Then the year after we could possibly have Delpit and CGJ as our starting safeties.

If OU LB Kenneth Murray isn’t available Grant Delpit would be my next pick if he’s there. Bama safety Xavier McKinney would be my other target then wide receiver would be my pick if those 3 are off the board. Maybe a corner would be in the mix as well.
 

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Elias, don’t get me wrong. I don’t want him to go. I am not certain we can afford him.

And if we can’t, strong safety will be our biggest need.
I think we can afford him, but here's my dilemma. The Saints technically drafted his replacement in CJG. I Think that's a fact, although Allen has shown he's ok with using a Safety as a nickel back...he prefers a Corner in that position and Andrew Judge alluded to the Saints liking Jenkins a slot DB and more of a spot starter on the outside.

That means there is a scenario where the Saints allow Bell to walk so that they can use the money to sign or trade for a top tier #2 CB to pair with Lattimore and Jenkins in the slot. To which in that case I'd say yes, allow Bell to walk. The Disciples of Buddy Ryan (which Allen is since he comes off the 3G tree) need 2 good CB's for the defense to operation well. Last year the defense began to look normal after Eli Apple came back down to earth following a good start to the season. B4 Apples arrival the defense started bad when Crawley didn't have the 2nd year as a starter everone was looking forward too after his finish the previous season.

So yeah if you can help it I would keep Bell, logic says Keep Bell, but with the emergence of CJG and the rumor that the Saints like Jenkins in the slot everything points to CJG being your starting safety next year.
 

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My question was more about the players. I really don't have a bone of where are players may come from. I don't have a preference for any college football team.

I asked about LSU's Delpit because I know people here follow the tigers with more passion and detail than I do.

For the games I saw, I have a good impression about Delpit, I just wanted to read opinions about him as a player and if he fits our scheme.
Yes, he fits the scheme but he's not going to replace Bell. He's going to replace Williams and mix into the box with Bell. Delpit's issues are with wrapping up. He positives in coverage, blitzing, matching up, etc far outweigh any negatives he has for missing tackles in a season where he played injured and had to cover for a lot of mistakes with other players for almost the entire season. When Todd Harris went down, the LSU defense took a few weeks to recover and they were still not the same in the secondary.
 

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I think we can afford him, but here's my dilemma. The Saints technically drafted his replacement in CJG. I Think that's a fact, although Allen has shown he's ok with using a Safety as a nickel back...he prefers a Corner in that position and Andrew Judge alluded to the Saints liking Jenkins a slot DB and more of a spot starter on the outside.

That means there is a scenario where the Saints allow Bell to walk so that they can use the money to sign or trade for a top tier #2 CB to pair with Lattimore and Jenkins in the slot. To which in that case I'd say yes, allow Bell to walk. The Disciples of Buddy Ryan (which Allen is since he comes off the 3G tree) need 2 good CB's for the defense to operation well. Last year the defense began to look normal after Eli Apple came back down to earth following a good start to the season. B4 Apples arrival the defense started bad when Crawley didn't have the 2nd year as a starter everone was looking forward too after his finish the previous season.

So yeah if you can help it I would keep Bell, logic says Keep Bell, but with the emergence of CJG and the rumor that the Saints like Jenkins in the slot everything points to CJG being your starting safety next year.
I'm not buying that rumor at all. Malcolm Jenkins, CJ Gardner-Johnson, and Patrick Robinson can play in the slot. Janoris Jenkins is the only player on the roster capable of being an effective CB2. The way they addressed free agency tells me Janoris is CB2.
 

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I'm not buying that rumor at all. Malcolm Jenkins, CJ Gardner-Johnson, and Patrick Robinson can play in the slot. Janoris Jenkins is the only player on the roster capable of being an effective CB2. The way they addressed free agency tells me Janoris is CB2.
Ellias' thoughts were before the free agency frenzy period, and we see no apparent takers for Bell. Looks like he's going the Vaccarro route of having to settle for an offer down the line closer to the season (whenever that'll be). Totally agreed on Jackrabbit being the CB2.
 

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Ellias' thoughts were before the free agency frenzy period, and we see no apparent takers for Bell. Looks like he's going the Vaccarro route of having to settle for an offer down the line closer to the season (whenever that'll be). Totally agreed on Jackrabbit being the CB2.
I do think Delpit would be a solid selection. I believe Dennis Allen has always wanted his safeties to be interchangeable. Delpit could be the successor to Jenkins at SS, while Gardner-Johnson plays in the slot. Or he could be future at FS, giving us the possibility of two starting safeties that are 100% interchangeable between FS/SS/Slot
 

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I am not a fan of Delpit and would not be surprised if he goes on day two. Perhaps injury was the reason, but in 2019 his tackling was poor, and he did not look like a first-round pick.
 

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As a Sophomore Delpit looked like a future top 10-15 pick. He was a force in 2018. He was a game changer who took over games at times (Auburn, Ole Miss, Georgia). Then last season he had some injury issues and his suddenness and burst just wasn't there. He played through it and showed a lot of heart but he wasn't the same player. But even at 80% he was still good enough to be named consensus All American, First Team All SEC, and win the Thorpe Award.

I think Delpit's tackling issues are overblown. His tackling will improve with NFL coaching. We're not talking about some dandy finesse Safety who is scared of contact. Delpit isn't afraid to light somebody up, he just needs better technique.

It will be interesting to see how teams evaluate him. I think he's a safe pick that would provide a lot of versatility.
 

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Not sure why everyone is crapping on Marcus Williams, I figured out of him and Bell, we were only signing one long term and he’s the better option. Strong safeties are a dime a dozen and there is no need to overpay one, as Bell is finding out. He’s a good player though.

CGJ should stay at that nickel role. He seems to excel at it, and can be more of a playmaker in that spot.
As far as Delpit is concerned, he would have been my pick at 24 if Bell left but there’s no need since we have Jenkins now. He did not play great this year probably due to injury. But if you look at his tape from freshman and sophomore years, the guy was great. The LSU D went up a few levels at the end of the year once he got healthy. I think he’s a SS, just more of a coverage playmaking SS rather than an in the box tackling SS.
 

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