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al-Qaeda is happy too!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061110/ap_on_re_mi_ea/egypt_al_qaida

""The American people have put their feet on the right path by ... realizing their president's betrayal in supporting Israel,"

He urged Bush not to withdraw U.S. forces so al-Qaida could have more opportunities to fight U.S. soldiers. "We haven't had enough of your blood yet," he told the U.S.

"They are getting ready to leave, because they are no longer capable of staying," the al-Qaida leader said, referring to U.S. forces.

"Remain steadfast in the battlefield, you coward," he said, addressing Bush.




Well done my fellow Americans.
 
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Did you know that the word guillible isn't in the dictionary?

Al Qaida (not al Quida) would claim victory for just about anything. I, for one, am not going to be pressured into voting for anyone based on what al Qaida wants.

I may have to bring back that article I posted a while back about Bin Laden's pre-2004 election tape saying that we should vote for Kerry. Well the CIA admitted that it was more than likely an attempt to push voters to re-elect Bush. These people are not stupid, they know that they are hated here and they know that if they started endorsing one party or the other, it would probably have the opposite effect.
 

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>>Truth hurts don't it?

Whatever. I'd tell you I was hooking up with JTV, Ted, Jacob, et al for a fried calamari po-boy for lunch, but you can't make it. Now the truth does hurt.

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Did you know that the word guillible isn't in the dictionary?

Al Qaida (not al Quida) would claim victory for just about anything. I, for one, am not going to be pressured into voting for anyone based on what al Qaida wants.

I may have to bring back that article I posted a while back about Bin Laden's pre-2004 election tape saying that we should vote for Kerry. Well the CIA admitted that it was more than likely an attempt to push voters to re-elect Bush. These people are not stupid, they know that they are hated here and they know that if they started endorsing one party or the other, it would probably have the opposite effect.

You are correct, but that's only becaue "guillable" isn't even a word. On the other hand, "gullible" is in the dictionary.

However, that has nothing to do with al Qaeda expecting that the Dems are going move forward with their plans to withdraw immediately from Iraq - somethign al Qaeda has been hoping would happen. Or was that just rhetoric from the Dems to get elected, and they have no real intention of doing that?
 

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>>However, that has nothing to do with al Qaeda expecting that the Dems are going move forward with their plans to withdraw immediately from Iraq - somethign al Qaeda has been hoping would happen. Or was that just rhetoric from the Dems to get elected, and they have no real intention of doing that?

It was the rhetoric of the Repubilcans. Very few Democrats want "immediate withdrawal." That was the brainchild of the far left (including some democrats). Chairman Dean specifically said that they wanted stabilization. You're trolling too. You guys seem to be as bitter as the Gore voters were in 2000 when the election was stolen from him.

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Steve, did I catch you on a bad day?

If so, I apologize OH GREAT ONE!
 
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Truth hurts don't it?

It's not the truth, it's meaningless political, partisan psychobabble from people who simply want to have discussions which involve talking points and demegoguery.

It's the same kind of meaningless crap we heard from those who claimed that "a vote for Kerry is a vote for OBL."

It does nothing to elevate the political discourse and ultimately this kind of flaming rhetoric does nothing but puts people on the defensive.

The truth that really hurts is that some have nothing but demogoguery in the political worldview.
 

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061110/ap_on_re_mi_ea/egypt_al_qaida

""The American people have put their feet on the right path by ... realizing their president's betrayal in supporting Israel,"

He urged Bush not to withdraw U.S. forces so al-Qaida could have more opportunities to fight U.S. soldiers. "We haven't had enough of your blood yet," he told the U.S.

"They are getting ready to leave, because they are no longer capable of staying," the al-Qaida leader said, referring to U.S. forces.

"Remain steadfast in the battlefield, you coward," he said, addressing Bush.




Well done my fellow Americans.
Hmm let's sit down and think rationally for a moment.

1.) The backbone of the insurgency are the Sunni Baathist remnants of Saddam's Iraq. Deep down these guys don't care for Al Queda or the Islamic fundamentalists. They like Armani suits, Mercedes, Cuban cigars, the ladies and all the finer things in life. No long term meeting of the minds with Al Queda there.

2.) the Iraqi Shia are more tilted toward Iran and are also natural enemies of Al Queda

3.) The Kurds in the North are not religious fanatics either and have a historic antipathy towards the Arabs that make up Al Queda. The Kurds have a defacto alliance with Israel.

Given the ironclad law that "the enemy of my enemy" is my friend, I tend to believe that tolerance for Al Queda in Iraq will last as long as our occupation of the country will last.

When they don't have us to shoot at, I am willing to believe that all three of the groups will turn on the jihadists. It is an alliance of convenience, just like we were allied with Soviet Communists in WWII.

The Kurds, Sunni Baathists and Shia will squeeze Al Queda out, even as they shoot at each other.

We have natural allies in the country on that front. An occupation by 150,000 troops in not necessary.

Now, all that being said, there is the Palestine model to consider. Palestinians in the early days of Arafat's Fatah were largely secular and socialist in leaning. They were aimed at modernizing and building a post-colonial Arab nation. They were not religious fundamentalists.

But after decades of humilation and carnage they were radicalized and the religious nuts found fertile ground. Hamas was a creation of the Israeli Mossad because Arafat was found to be getting too willing to negotiate. A more inveterate foe had to be created, so the Israelis funded Hamas:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10456.htm

If we stay in Iraq status quo, I don't rule out that something similar could take place. All the fears of Al Queda could become self fulfilling. If the carnage is allowed to continue for decades you will get a radicalized population in Iraq. Precisely what Al Queda wants.
 
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We should have continued the way we were going because it is better to flush our country down the toilet rather than have a bunch of wacky arabs happy.
 
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>> You guys seem to be as bitter as the Gore voters were in 2000 when the election was stolen from him.

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I'm not bitter... a little worried maybe, but not bitter.

Sadly, in the end, we will get what we deserve.
 

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>>Steve, did I catch you on a bad day?

Not at all. I'm off to lunch with a bunch of board derelicts. I was having some fun with the smilies (I particularly like the remake of the ban him-gladiator thing). And while I did think your title was trolling, I don't really want you to be banned.

>>If so, I apologize OH GREAT ONE!

Don't even gaze upon me with your naked eyes!

>>I'm not bitter... a little worried maybe, but not bitter. Sadly, in the end, we will get what we deserve

While indeed we did and likely will (it kind of was hurting there for a while since VP Cheney withdrew his request for astroglide), I'm assuming you didn't miss the spit smiley or the sarcasm in my post (direct contradiction I put out there you know).

:shrug:

It's Friday. I'm going woof down some killer lunch. I'm going fishing tomorrow. Life is good, and fish will pay.

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Actually, I think Al Queda (however you spell it) should be quite worried right now. The election has forced Bush to reconsider his counsel. Bush seems to be turning toward Baker for advice and recommendations. This can only help us internationally.
 

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Actually, I think Al Queda (however you spell it) should be quite worried right now. The election has forced Bush to reconsider his counsel. Bush seems to be turning toward Baker for advice and recommendations. This can only help us internationally.
Again, we can agree.

And if you were willing to talk man to man to the Syrians, they would help us flush out Al Queda.

The Syrian regime, liberal democrats or not, are secular Baathists as well. They are enemies of Al Queda and Islamic fundamentalism.

The only real impediment to a productive relationship with Syria, in terms of our core national interests, is that Israel covets Syrian terrirory and the Israeli lobby demands that we be an enemy of Syria for their sake, in the name of permanently annexing the Golan Heights.

Israel is also keeping its options open for the future. As their population grows and they encourage further immigration and (illegal) settlement, they will need more water resources.

There will be only one way for them to get control of more water.
 
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