Alex Smith questions whether defensive head coaches can develop quarterbacks (2 Viewers)

[liveoakh]

You're missing the point, .500 over three seasons is a good record in the NFL if you don't have a franchise QB. It's not easy to win games in the league, and it's even harder when you have to start a washed up Cam Newton, an inexperienced Mac Jones, or an even more inexperienced Bailey Zappe. Even Andy Reid, considered a saint among offensive coaches, has a losing record when starting a QB that wasn't drafted in the first round. Having talent under center will affect any coach's chances.

And Tampa Bay was 7-9 the year before, I wouldn't consider that bottom feeding. They had the 9th best scoring offense the year before Brady got there, and improved to the 5th best after he and Gronkowski got there. Was that enough to get them a ring?

Or was it the fact that they went from to the 17th best scoring defense to the 6th best scoring defense? They held Reid and Mahomes to nine points after they had averaged 30 points/game in their other two playoff matchups.

Which adds to the point that Brady has never won without a top eight scoring defense.

If what you are saying is true, why are there twice as many OC/QB coaching hires as DC in the last 4 yrs?

Doug Pederson won a superbowl w/ a back up Nick Foles.

 

[GeneHansen]

Sean Mcveigh won a superbowl w/ Jared Goff.

He did not.

As a matter of fact, Sean McVAY put up one of the worst offensive performances in SB history with Jared Goff.

 

[liveoakh]

He did not.

As a matter of fact, Sean McVAY put up one of the worst offensive performances in SB history with Jared Goff.

Thank you , my mistake.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

DA runs one of the most aggressive Ds in the league?!?!?!

Weren't we bottom 5 in blitz percentage? Dead last in TO creation? That doesn't sound very aggressive.

Our defensive performance is more personnel than scheme. We invested heavily in bringing in talent. We're 2 injuries away from mediocrity on D (Lattimore and DD)

 

[sfidc3]

If only all these amazing defensive coaches with terrible ultra conservative offenses could use the same excuse.

These are the type of Saints fans that still defend Jim Mora.....

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

DA runs one of the most aggressive Ds in the league. There are constant schemes hidden and choices. He runs exotic blitzes out of nowhere and drops DEs into coverage.

Where does the idea that he's ultra-conservative come from other than play calling last year while we had a relic as QB and a bunch of undrated nobodies as weapons?

From what I can remember, we didn't blitz a lot last year.

 

[jahsoul357]

TB loses.........gets good w/ Brady.... Brady leaves... TB is bad again. Brady was the straw that stirred the drink at TB. It wasn't the defense.

Tampa was 7-5 going into the bye and on verge of missing the playoffs before they made modifications to make the offense a little more palatable for Brady. But that's neither here no there. For those that watched that playoff run, especially their game against us and in the Super Bowl would know that defense won those games. Crap, they held the Chiefs to 9 points, which was their lowest point total since 2017.

And I don't know if you missed last season but TB was bad with Brady after he ran Arians upstairs. Since the beginning of Arians' tenure with TB, this is where they ranked offensively.

2019 - #3 yards/#3 PF
2020 - #7 yards/#3 PF
2021 - #2 yards/#2 PF

Brady runs Arians upstairs and replace him with the defensive minded Bowles

2022 - #14 yards/#25 PF

Crazy how B. Left was the scapegoat in that situation.

 

[liveoakh]

Tampa was 7-5 going into the bye and on verge of missing the playoffs before they made modifications to make the offense a little more palatable for Brady. But that's neither here no there. For those that watched that playoff run, especially their game against us and in the Super Bowl would know that defense won those games. Crap, they held the Chiefs to 9 points, which was their lowest point total since 2017.

And I don't know if you missed last season but TB was bad with Brady after he ran Arians upstairs. Since the beginning of Arians' tenure with TB, this is where they ranked offensively.

2019 - #3 yards/#3 PF
2020 - #7 yards/#3 PF
2021 - #2 yards/#2 PF

Brady runs Arians upstairs and replace him with the defensive minded Bowles

2022 - #14 yards/#25 PF

Crazy how B. Left was the scapegoat in that situation.

Then why is Vegas picking them to finnish at the bottom w/ out Brady?

Vegas: The Buccaneers playoff chances are 21.3%, so sportsbooks don't have much faith in Tampa Bay this year. That means Tampa Bay has a 78.7% chance to miss the playoffs as it enters 2023.

 

[jahsoul357]

Then why is Vegas picking them to finnish at the bottom w/ out Brady?

Vegas: The Buccaneers playoff chances are 21.3%, so sportsbooks don't have much faith in Tampa Bay this year. That means Tampa Bay has a 78.7% chance to miss the playoffs as it enters 2023.

Because they finished 1 win from a 3 way tie for last place in the NFC South with Brady.

 

[liveoakh]

Tampa was 7-5 going into the bye and on verge of missing the playoffs before they made modifications to make the offense a little more palatable for Brady. But that's neither here no there. For those that watched that playoff run, especially their game against us and in the Super Bowl would know that defense won those games. Crap, they held the Chiefs to 9 points, which was their lowest point total since 2017.

And I don't know if you missed last season but TB was bad with Brady after he ran Arians upstairs. Since the beginning of Arians' tenure with TB, this is where they ranked offensively.

2019 - #3 yards/#3 PF
2020 - #7 yards/#3 PF
2021 - #2 yards/#2 PF

Brady runs Arians upstairs and replace him with the defensive minded Bowles

2022 - #14 yards/#25 PF

Crazy how B. Left was the scapegoat in that situation.

Vegas: The Buccaneers playoff chances are 21.3%, so sportsbooks don't have much faith in Tampa Bay this year. That means Tampa Bay has a 78.7% chance to miss the playoffs as it enters 2023.

With Brady/TB in 2022 - Vegas says there a playoff team, Superbowl contenders.

Without Brady, Todd B. coach: - Vegas says they will be lucky if they win 8 games. Vegas disagrees with you.

 

[jahsoul357]

Vegas: The Buccaneers playoff chances are 21.3%, so sportsbooks don't have much faith in Tampa Bay this year. That means Tampa Bay has a 78.7% chance to miss the playoffs as it enters 2023.

With Brady/TB in 2022 - Vegas says there a playoff team, Superbowl contenders.

Without Brady, Todd B. coach: - Vegas says they will be lucky if they win 8 games. Vegas disagrees with you.

OK....let's look at Vegas predictions and then let's look at the reality.



How bad the Bucs season was last season coupled with the fact that Baker is now there is probably leaning that way. But don't think for one second that they didn't take into account how horrible the Bucs played last season. They were last in the NFC South in scoring.

The assumption was probably Brady can cover a multitude of sins but if anyone looked at the 2019 Patriots season, they would know the deal..lol. When the team looks more like the 2019 Bucs squad than the 2020-2021 team, he looked more like the 2019 Tom Brady..lol

 

[liveoakh]

OK....let's look at Vegas predictions and then let's look at the reality.



How bad the Bucs season was last season coupled with the fact that Baker is now there is probably leaning that way. But don't think for one second that they didn't take into account how horrible the Bucs played last season. They were last in the NFC South in scoring.

The assumption was probably Brady can cover a multitude of sins but if anyone looked at the 2019 Patriots season, they would know the deal..lol. When the team looks more like the 2019 Bucs squad than the 2020-2021 team, he looked more like the 2019 Tom Brady..lol

You have an answer for everything. Ok, man. if you say so.

TB has had a a very good defense going back to Dirk Koetter. They couldn't move the dial, till Brady went to TB. They ran Aierns offense early in that 1st season, till Brady power moved his way to change the play book. Then they started to win. It is not just his play on the field, that made the difference. If was his ability make a losing franchise, believe they can win a superbowl. He also motivated quality FA to sign with TB.

Todd Bowles is a good coach, but his defense isn't going to be good enough to win games for TB. Baker Mayfield is not going to be the answer for them. I will be shocked if they can win 8 games.

They rolled Byron Leftwich under the bus, for Dave Canales, an OC who isn't a play caller. I find it hard to believe TB will go anywhere w/ a new OC, who hasn't play called one game yet.

Baker Mayfield.

Baker looked good in a few Rams games, but that was a very QB friendly system. He is still fragile w/ very suspect arm strength.

Dave Canales:

Seattle Seahawks
In 2010, Canales followed Carroll after the latter's acceptance of the Seattle Seahawks' head coaching position. He won his first Super Bowl title when the Seahawks defeated the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XLVIII.[4] Canales spent 13 years with the Seahawks, serving in a variety of capacities on the offensive side of the staff. From 2010 through 2017, Canales served as wide receivers coach, before taking on the roles of quarterbacks coach and passing game coordinator from 2018 through 2022.[5] Canales was credited with assisting in the resurgence of quarterback Geno Smith's career. In the 2022 season, Smith was highly effective as the team's starting quarterback and was named NFL Comeback Player of the Year, while also earning his first Pro Bowl appearance.[6]

 

[jahsoul357]

TB has had a a very good defense going back to Dirk Koetter.

WHAT???? lol

Lovie and Koetter got fired because of defense

2015: 24th PA/23rd Yards
2016: 15th PA/24th Yards
2017: 22nd PA/32nd Yards
2018: 30th PA/24th Yards

Their defense didn't get good until Bowles got there and being honest, it took them at least half the season to get there. First 8 games of the season, they gave up 31.5 points a game.

They ran Aierns offense early in that 1st season, till Brady power moved his way to change the play book. Then they started to win. It is not just his play on the field, that made the difference. If was his ability make a losing franchise, believe they can win a superbowl. He also motivated quality FA to sign with TB.

Crazy; you would think "The GOAT" could run through any play book. But I'm going to leave that conversation for another thread for folks that love talking about "football IQ" but they are just talking out their butts..lol

But you should have put quality FAs first because 2019 was not 2020 in any shape or form and most folks try to put it on Brady when the kicker cost them 2 games himself. Not going to do a breakdown but at minimum, they should have been 9-7 in 2019 and at least 11-5 when you actually break down the season. But when those players left or declined, the offense began to look closer to 2019. Dicey o-line, horrible run game, no one but Evans and Godwin to throw it to. I just looked and this was the lowest scoring Bucs team since 2014..lol

 

[liveoakh]

WHAT???? lol

Lovie and Koetter got fired because of defense

2015: 24th PA/23rd Yards
2016: 15th PA/24th Yards
2017: 22nd PA/32nd Yards
2018: 30th PA/24th Yards

Their defense didn't get good until Bowles got there and being honest, it took them at least half the season to get there. First 8 games of the season, they gave up 31.5 points a game.


Crazy; you would think "The GOAT" could run through any play book. But I'm going to leave that conversation for another thread for folks that love talking about "football IQ" but they are just talking out their butts..lol

But you should have put quality FAs first because 2019 was not 2020 in any shape or form and most folks try to put it on Brady when the kicker cost them 2 games himself. Not going to do a breakdown but at minimum, they should have been 9-7 in 2019 and at least 11-5 when you actually break down the season. But when those players left or declined, the offense began to look closer to 2019. Dicey o-line, horrible run game, no one but Evans and Godwin to throw it to. I just looked and this was the lowest scoring Bucs team since 2014..lol

If the defense is as good as you say they are..............why does Vegas have them winning 6.5 games in 2024 with out Brady?

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

You have an answer for everything. Ok, man. if you say so.

TB has had a a very good defense going back to Dirk Koetter. They couldn't move the dial, till Brady went to TB. They ran Aierns offense early in that 1st season, till Brady power moved his way to change the play book. Then they started to win. It is not just his play on the field, that made the difference. If was his ability make a losing franchise, believe they can win a superbowl. He also motivated quality FA to sign with TB.

Todd Bowles is a good coach, but his defense isn't going to be good enough to win games for TB. Baker Mayfield is not going to be the answer for them. I will be shocked if they can win 8 games.

They rolled Byron Leftwich under the bus, for Dave Canales, an OC who isn't a play caller. I find it hard to believe TB will go anywhere w/ a new OC, who hasn't play called one game yet.

Baker Mayfield.

Baker looked good in a few Rams games, but that was a very QB friendly system. He is still fragile w/ very suspect arm strength.

Dave Canales:

Seattle Seahawks
In 2010, Canales followed Carroll after the latter's acceptance of the Seattle Seahawks' head coaching position. He won his first Super Bowl title when the Seahawks defeated the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XLVIII.[4] Canales spent 13 years with the Seahawks, serving in a variety of capacities on the offensive side of the staff. From 2010 through 2017, Canales served as wide receivers coach, before taking on the roles of quarterbacks coach and passing game coordinator from 2018 through 2022.[5] Canales was credited with assisting in the resurgence of quarterback Geno Smith's career. In the 2022 season, Smith was highly effective as the team's starting quarterback and was named NFL Comeback Player of the Year, while also earning his first Pro Bowl appearance.[6]

I like how you claim someone else has an answer for everything and yet here you are doing the same thing.