Opinion Andy Dalton Era (1 Viewer)

[bearze34]

I was thinking the same thing while watching the game last night. The offenses actually looked competent and had some nice, quick timing passes and were executing nicely. It made me sad. Lol

We must have all been thinking the same thing. Why can't Winston make the very basic throws that Brissett could make? That dude is a career backup and Winston a career starter. It reminds us just how far we are from being even a middling offense.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Using the same metric you can also say we’re one terrible quarter away from being 2-0.

Crappy teams with crappy leadership that are already in the unraveling process are the teams that bench their starting QB after 2, 3, or even 4 games.

Nah...you ain't know...that metric only skews to the negative.

 

[iamsaved]

If Winston plays this week like last week, I’d fully support a change. This team is way too talented to look so bad on offense. Last night the Browns and Steelers looked more functional on offense.

As long as JW can walk I don't see a change.

 

[Iwanttobeinthatnumber]

Can we pump the brakes on the Andy Dalton is great or even good talk.

He had a decent run for five years where they went to the PLayoffs. Hardly on his arm. Those teams underachieved.

He had some of arguably the best receiving corps in the L when Cincy had a prime Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmanzadeh and then prime AJ Green and Mahmoud Sanu. Each era had multiple ProBowl election TEs too. They had the best DT in Geno Atkins in the L.

The best year, the last year 2015, there were three offensive and four defensive Pro Bowlers. Dalton wasn’t one but his TE (Eiffort), WR (AJ Green) and OT (perennial Probowler Whitworth) were. They got beat at home against a beat to sheet Steelers team.

Dalton didn't play that game. A. J. McCarron did.

 

[MV2]

They said that about Stafford too…

Nah. Stafford has an elite arm. He played for terrible teams. Dalton does not have an elite arm and never got it done with some pretty good teams he was on.

 

[Taker597]

That goodwill was earned. Jameis hasn’t earned it. Also that 5-3 record is more like 4-3. He got injured early on in the Tampa game last year and the backup balled out.

He was talking about the win last week doofus. He's a 6-3 starter to be exact

 

[black_floyd]

I cannot imagine a scenario where Dalton is someone they consider as a guy to build their future around, even if he does have to fill in for Jameis and plays to the best of his ability.

I could be wrong, but Andy, while “solid” is considered a journeyman by the League at this point in his career. His extended playing time in Dallas last year did nothing to make execs think he is any more than that.

All that to say, this is most likely going to be Jameis’ team for most of, if not all of the season, barring injury. If JW flames out, DA will pretty much get a pass from the front office and they’ll all try to find a new QB with more of what they are looking for than Andy has to offer.

Here's the thing. Good quarterbacks are extremely hard to come by. It might seem like a third of the QBs in the league are good since there are always 10-12 good QBs in the league. That math is deceiving. Those 10-12 QBs have typically been in the league 5-15 years (or longer) so during that time the league might have gone through 50-100 other QBs that got to be a starter at some point.

That established, we basically have to realize that the only reason we get to keep getting above average QBs like Teddy, JW, and Andy to come here is because of our two recent eras of success, 2006-11 and 2017-present combined with the fact that we have top 3 in the league RBs and WRs in Kamara and Thomas. We survived the 2014-16 debacle cuz we had Brees and Payton. 2 or 3 straight sub-.500 seasons with Allen and we probably end up seeing our top players demanding trades or becoming malcontents if those demands aren't accommodated.

This means that if this season goes badly that next season could very easily be as pivotal as 1993 was when we saw the Mora era transition from four 10+ win seasons and four playoff appearances in six seasons to six seasons of the worst football we've known in the last 30 years with only that turbulent 1993 season as the bookmark between those chapters.

We're not playing with house money anymore as was the case with Brees/Payton in the house. We don't have another 2 seasons to see if JW's gonna work out. If we're not at least 3-5 at the halfway point, we need to see what Andy can do. Not necessarily cuz he's the future but because we can't risk flaming out and entering another era of darkness like the late 90s. Andy might at least be a decent stop-gap that can buy us a season or two if JW shows that he isn't up for the challenge. Then if Andy manages to keep us afloat we can still search for the long-term solution.

 

[wwepatriot]

Well.....

Winston has never gotten a team to the playoffs, Dalton has.

So their is that.

 

[wwepatriot]

Here's the thing. Good quarterbacks are extremely hard to come by. It might seem like a third of the QBs in the league are good since there are always 10-12 good QBs in the league. That math is deceiving. Those 10-12 QBs have typically been in the league 5-15 years (or longer) so during that time the league might have gone through 50-100 other QBs that got to be a starter at some point.

That established, we basically have to realize that the only reason we get to keep getting above average QBs like Teddy, JW, and Andy to come here is because of our two recent eras of success, 2006-11 and 2017-present combined with the fact that we have top 3 in the league RBs and WRs in Kamara and Thomas. We survived the 2014-16 debacle cuz we had Brees and Payton. 2 or 3 straight sub-.500 seasons with Allen and we probably end up seeing our top players demanding trades or becoming malcontents if those demands aren't accommodated.

This means that if this season goes badly that next season could very easily be as pivotal as 1993 was when we saw the Mora era transition from four 10+ win seasons and four playoff appearances in six seasons to six seasons of the worst football we've known in the last 30 years with only that turbulent 1993 season as the bookmark between those chapters.

We're not playing with house money anymore as was the case with Brees/Payton in the house. We don't have another 2 seasons to see if JW's gonna work out. If we're not at least 3-5 at the halfway point, we need to see what Andy can do. Not necessarily cuz he's the future but because we can't risk flaming out and entering another era of darkness like the late 90s. Andy might at least be a decent stop-gap that can buy us a season or two if JW shows that he isn't up for the challenge. Then if Andy manages to keep us afloat we can still search for the long-term solution.

Plus Dallas wouldnt know a good QB if it hit them in the face.
They think Prescott is the guy, Dalton is probably better, and now Cooper Rush so far has at least put up more than 3 PTs. Everyone kept blaming the fact they let Amari Cooper go is why its bad. Dallas is just sorry talent evaluators unless its an offensive lineman.

 

[Groovepro]

It's not 6 years of the same thing. Dude had like 4 systems in 5 years and multiple head coaches in Tampa. He's only had like 9 starts in our system and he's coming back from major injury after no playing the last 10 games of last season. To want to bench him or speak of his backup playing after 2 games is knee jerk to me.

Big misconception. Winston came onto TB with Koetter as his OC. They ran basically an Air Coryell offense. The next season Koetter was HC and although different HC and OC, same offense. Next season, same system. With Koetter as HC, they ran HIS system. When Arians came in...he runs what?!...an Air Coryell offense...more Air Raid, but mostly same concepts and even terminology. Winston didn't have the turnstile of systems and coaches as the narrative presents itself.

 

[SaintsBrah]

If Winston gets a good psychologist he could be one of the best QBs in the league. 100% serious. He is a classic case of getting in his own way, the only thing stopping him is himself. We’ve all seen how well he plays when he’s on

 

[la. champ1]

I predict the Andy Dalton era begins in London. Hopefully he'll get that Super Bowl we know he's capable of. Thanks for giving it your best shot Jameis. I do think you'll be a serviceable back up brotha.

Andy Dalton era was years ago. He has no more era. He’s a guy that can help you win a few games if someone goes down not the start of an era. If we trying to start an era with him we in huge trouble. Smh

 

[Shadeaux]

If Winston is hurt, Dalton should start. If Winston keeps making dumb decisions and not taking what the defense is handing to him on a silver platter, Dalton should start. This is not rocket surgery.

 

[MV2]

Big misconception. Winston came onto TB with Koetter as his OC. They ran basically an Air Coryell offense. The next season Koetter was HC and although different HC and OC, same offense. Next season, same system. With Koetter as HC, they ran HIS system. When Arians came in...he runs what?!...an Air Coryell offense...more Air Raid, but mostly same concepts and even terminology. Winston didn't have the turnstile of systems and coaches as the narrative presents itself.

He had 3 head coaches and 3 offensive coordinators in 5 years.

Who are the best QBs on football today? Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Herbert, Allen, etc. They all had stable franchises that allowed them to grow and be successful when they came into the league. They didn't have new coaches every other year.

You can minimize what that does to a young man in his early 20's because it fits your narrative, but that amount of change to a person trying to hit their stride is an obstacle to their progress. Dak Prescott had a lot of promise, but all of the changes in coaching staff has made him seem just average. Maybe he is and maybe Jameis is too. But I think if you take all the greats and switch things up on them every year or two then you wouldn't see the same level of success.

The great Tom Brady (sarcasm on) struggled in Arian's system until after the bye when they started doing things he was used to doing. The switch was not going well. Yet you speak as though a young man in his early 20's should be just fine, but the supposed GOAT that has seen it all was struggling to adapt.

 

[jahsoul357]

Big misconception. Winston came onto TB with Koetter as his OC. They ran basically an Air Coryell offense. The next season Koetter was HC and although different HC and OC, same offense. Next season, same system. With Koetter as HC, they ran HIS system. When Arians came in...he runs what?!...an Air Coryell offense...more Air Raid, but mostly same concepts and even terminology. Winston didn't have the turnstile of systems and coaches as the narrative presents itself.

I agree to a point; the issue in TB has always been coaching and defense. (Dirk Koetter wasn't a good coach and their defense was bottom tier until Todd Bowles got there.) It wasn't necessarily various offenses but coaching that just wasn't good. Now to say that there wasn't major differences between Koetter's offense and Arian's would be a flat out lie..haha.

He went through 3 head coaches, 3 OCs and 2 major offense changes in 5 year at Tampa. That is still not a healthy situation, especially considering that everyone that is considered "franchise quarterbacks" never had to face that instability.

And Arians' doesn't run anything close to an Air Raid. He ran (since Brady chucked his playbook in the trash after the bye and went back to the system that he knew) an Air Coryell with crazy route options..lol.