Another police shooting - this time in Wisconsin... (4 Viewers)

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A few examples don't outweigh what is and has been the norm for how black Americans are treated vs. how white Americans are in this country by law enforcement and in courtroom.
A coincidental few days in regards to criminal justice

White guy who has a gun acquitted of shooting 3 white guys chasing him

in WI

3 white guys all found guilty on multiple murder counts for chasing and shooting a black guy

in GA

Black guy gets charged with 6 murders who has been given repeated chances to stay out of jail , charged multiple times with resisting and no claims he was assaulted or shot by officers

In Wi and GA (also NV)

We can always talk in specific cases, we can also always talk about the cases the media tells us to talk about and what to say and think introducing hypotheticals and misinformation

We also saw a guy get 41 months after spending 300+ days in solitary for trespassing on the politicians tax payer paid work space using the same media to create the outrage of the event as worse than Pearl Harbor all the while refusing to release the video under the idea that the layout of the lobby is national security as they ignored civilian communities burn and will give those offenders a pass
 
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A coincidental few days in regards to criminal justice

White guy who has a gun acquitted of shooting 3 white guys chasing him

in WI

3 white guys all found guilty on multiple murder counts for chasing and shooting a black guy

in GA

Black guy gets charged with 6 murders who has been given repeated chances to stay out of jail , charged multiple times with resisting and no claims he was assaulted or shot by officers

In Wi and GA (also NV)

We can always talk in specific cases, we can also always talk about the cases the media tells us to talk about and what to say and think introducing hypotheticals and misinformation

We also saw a guy get 41 months after spending 300+ days in solitary for trespassing on the politicians tax payer paid work space using the same media to create the outrage of the event as worse than Pearl Harbor all the while refusing to release the video under the idea that the layout of the lobby is national security as they ignored civilian communities burn and will give those offenders a pass
So your conclusion to the week is ‘that poor insurrectionist’?
 

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So your conclusion to the week is ‘that poor insurrectionist’?

It’s early and I haven’t had coffee yet but that was the goofiest take I’ve seen on the subject, and that’s saying something. It was a high bar to reach, but he went over it like the hot pole vaulting chick we used to have a thread about.
 

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It’s early and I haven’t had coffee yet but that was the goofiest take I’ve seen on the subject, and that’s saying something. It was a high bar to reach, but he went over it like the hot pole vaulting chick we used to have a thread about.
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So your conclusion to the week is ‘that poor insurrectionist’?
I think people should be punished after conviction and sentenced to a appropriate term that applies to their crime - 300 + days of solidarity confinement pre-trial isn’t appropriate IMO

He wasn’t charged with insurrection that’s what the media and politicians and their followers like to run with but not what he convicted of

The real conclusion is that in two very similar cases the rule of law played out as planned - those that pursued lost on self defense despite those who insist on ignoring the law because they chose sides most likely because that watch media and Twitter etc
 

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Why is that? Cause I don't buy into the whole divide and conquer narrative from Fox and the rest of the MSM?

That poor demonized child that "has to live with those deaths" or however lamely you put it is now doing the right wing crazy circuit, the only time those deaths seemed to weigh heavily on him was when he was on the stand and in fear that he may be going to prison....save your BS for someone else
 

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I think people should be punished after conviction and sentenced to a appropriate term that applies to their crime - 300 + days of solidarity confinement pre-trial isn’t appropriate IMO

He wasn’t charged with insurrection that’s what the media and politicians and their followers like to run with but not what he convicted of

The real conclusion is that in two very similar cases the rule of law played out as planned - those that pursued lost on self defense despite those who insist on ignoring the law because they chose sides most likely because that watch media and Twitter etc
Wha?
The only thing remotely similar is that wypipo decided to arm up and go hunt
We’ve already lost the narrative, but the story of Georgia is that the apparatus tried to protect an execution in broad daylight- they would have been free today except for the pressure of the family and a fortuitous leak of video

And it was an attempted insurrection- full stop
 

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A coincidental few days in regards to criminal justice

White guy who has a gun acquitted of shooting 3 white guys chasing him

in WI

3 white guys all found guilty on multiple murder counts for chasing and shooting a black guy

in GA

Black guy gets charged with 6 murders who has been given repeated chances to stay out of jail , charged multiple times with resisting and no claims he was assaulted or shot by officers

In Wi and GA (also NV)

We can always talk in specific cases, we can also always talk about the cases the media tells us to talk about and what to say and think introducing hypotheticals and misinformation

We also saw a guy get 41 months after spending 300+ days in solitary for trespassing on the politicians tax payer paid work space using the same media to create the outrage of the event as worse than Pearl Harbor all the while refusing to release the video under the idea that the layout of the lobby is national security as they ignored civilian communities burn and will give those offenders a pass


None of what I'm getting at is about the media or a narrative. I'm not writing off your examples, I'm just saying that they're irrelevant to my broader point - which was that the Rittenhouse case wasn't about 'media' or 'white supremacy' as much as it is shining a glaring light on how black and brown people are treated by Police vs. white people.

It's no comparison. It always has been and will be wrong.

Awareness brings about change. That's what I want, personally and I think everyone should want. A path to less cases like this where injustices are committed. Writing things off or saying that both sides experience it is just erroneous and only contributes to the issue, in my opinion. I understand the media can and does spin up division, but in many cases the narrative is actually the one we'd all like to move toward, even if it's done in a 24/7, in your face way.

A parting factoid that you may have already known -- if it weren't for social pressure and 'media', Ahmaud Arbery's killers would still be on the loose. I thank social media for that.
 
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Maybe, but you do realize he has family/relatives who live there, and the town is hardly new to him? Not to mention the town he lives in is 30 minutes away. It's irrelevant.

He could have live across the street and been looking for trouble. My point stands whether it's across the street or 30 minutes away.

Maybe I misspoke as to my point. I'll rephrase:

You really do not think that traveling somewhere to brandish a weapon around a large group of people is looking for trouble?
 

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Maybe I misspoke as to my point. I'll rephrase:

You really do not think that traveling somewhere to brandish a weapon around a large group of people is looking for trouble?
I don’t think a cosplay soldier of fortune, a pedophile, and a man that beats women were looking for a tea party at 2am.

Was it uncovered during the trial as to who lit the dumpster on fire? Wasn’t that the starting point in all of this?

Bottom line is they were all messing around, and they all found out.
 

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I don’t think a cosplay soldier of fortune, a pedophile, and a man that beats women were looking for a tea party at 2am.

Was it uncovered during the trial as to who lit the dumpster on fire? Wasn’t that the starting point in all of this?

Bottom line is they were all messing around, and they all found out.

Who said that they were? I don't know. And finally..maybe?

I'd personally like to stick to discussing my original point.
 

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I don’t think a cosplay soldier of fortune, a pedophile, and a man that beats women were looking for a tea party at 2am.
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moving the goalpost
EVEN IF kr knew precisely that these ‘bad guys’ would be there, his actions would still be vigilantism
But he did not know - and continuing to bring up the ‘bad guys’’ rap sheet is both completely superfluous and rhetorical ****
 

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Maybe I misspoke as to my point. I'll rephrase:

You really do not think that traveling somewhere to brandish a weapon around a large group of people is looking for trouble?
Of course it is. Whether it's across the street or another state doesn't really matter. It's looking for trouble either way.

Saying he's from another state just feels like a regurgitated talking point.
 

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moving the goalpost
EVEN IF kr knew precisely that these ‘bad guys’ would be there, his actions would still be vigilantism
But he did not know - and continuing to bring up the ‘bad guys’’ rap sheet is both completely superfluous and rhetorical ****
I don’t know their names (and in another thread I was told to say the name of a criminal gives them notoriety), so I am just going to refer to them by what they did. Plus they were a pedophile and a man that beats women, so screw um (if you want to defend them have at it).

Vigilante, soldier of fortune, either way, he messed around and he found out.
 

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Who said that they were? I don't know. And finally..maybe?

I'd personally like to stick to discussing my original point.
Your point wants to look at this from a racial angle, the other person was looking at this from a media distrust angle, you both have a case for your arguments.

At the end of the day, everyone learned don’t bring piss to a sheet fight. When One guy uses a gun as a weapon, and the other decides to use a skateboard, I’m putting the good money on the guy with the gun.
 

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I don’t know their names (and in another thread I was told to say the name of a criminal gives them notoriety), so I am just going to refer to them by what they did. Plus they were a pedophile and a man that beats women, so screw um (if you want to defend them have at it).

Vigilante, soldier of fortune, either way, he messed around and he found out.
Focusing on the victim/bad guys is a rhetorical feint to try to take the focus off of KR’s bad intentions
Which seems obvious
Continuing to do it seems to betray an understanding that the KR defender feels the ground shifting underfoot
 

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