Another school shooting in MI... (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

Irrelevant to the point - no number that I give in answer helps prevent the next school shooting or whatever

Fair enough.

 

[DaveXA]

The Big 10 just dragged Tate Myers' family out onto the field for the coin flip. Anything for ratings, I guess.

I dunno, I was gonna watch, or not watch either way. Didn't bother me none.

 

[DaveXA]

Not life sentences

Agreed, but that's pretty easy. The tougher question is how long is long enough? 5 years? 20 years?

 

[jboss]

Agreed, but that's pretty easy. The tougher question is how long is long enough? 5 years? 20 years?

I guess we'll have to see. Our justice system is really unpredictable. But one things for sure is that mandatory sentencing has proven itself to be cruel and unusual in many cases. So let's pump the brakes on this whole reactionary life imprisonment nonsense. Not directed towards you in particular, just sayin.

 

[DaveXA]

I guess we'll have to see. Our justice system is really unpredictable. But one things for sure is that mandatory sentencing has proven itself to be cruel and unusual in many cases. So let's pump the brakes on this whole reactionary life imprisonment nonsense. Not directed towards you in particular, just sayin.

Yeah, never was a fan of mandatory minimums. I'd rather let judges use discretion in determining sentencing.

 

[where yat brah]

The Big 10 just dragged Tate Myers' family out onto the field for the coin flip. Anything for ratings, I guess.

The Big 10 or, FOX?

 

[SystemShock]

I guess we'll have to see. Our justice system is really unpredictable. But one things for sure is that mandatory sentencing has proven itself to be cruel and unusual in many cases. So let's pump the brakes on this whole reactionary life imprisonment nonsense. Not directed towards you in particular, just sayin.

But then you have the people who suffer from affluenza, and get probation for killing someone while drunk driving after robbing a store.

Speaking of affluenza, I hear the parents got a top-notch law firm to defend them, while they are letting their kid is getting a public defender.

 

[Sailorsaint]

Yeah, never was a fan of mandatory minimums. I'd rather let judges use discretion in determining sentencing.

I have to disagree. We need mandatory mins/maxs for the only reason that there are judges out there that would abuse their power. I know you know that. We can't trust every judge to apply the appropriate punishment on a consistent basis. If someone is guilty of something, there should be an established min/max sentence.

 

[zeetes]

Ex is getting in on it

James Crumbley's ex says he left them strapped for cash, calls Jennifer a 'monster'

Michelle Cobb holds nothing back when describing James Crumbley, her ex-boyfriend and the father of her 18-year-old son.

www.wxyz.com

the reporter's voice is hella deep.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I have to disagree. We need mandatory mins/maxs for the only reason that there are judges out there that would abuse their power. I know you know that. We can't trust every judge to apply the appropriate punishment on a consistent basis. If someone is guilty of something, there should be an established min/max sentence.

Mandatory mins were put in place to guarantee private jails that they could maintain their operating quotas
Nothing whatsoever to do with justice
Same as 3 strike laws

 

[DaveXA]

I have to disagree. We need mandatory mins/maxs for the only reason that there are judges out there that would abuse their power. I know you know that. We can't trust every judge to apply the appropriate punishment on a consistent basis. If someone is guilty of something, there should be an established min/max sentence.

Sure, but there are circumstances where I don't think they're appropriate. The 3 strikes mandatory minimums were absurd and didn't make a lot of sense in more than a few circumstances. I recognize all judges aren't created equal, but as flawed as some are, I'd still rather give them discretion, especially if a mandatory minimum doesn't take into account individual circumstances.

 

[SystemShock]

Mandatory mins were put in place to guarantee private jails that they could maintain their operating quotas
Nothing whatsoever to do with justice
Same as 3 strike laws

I wonder if you'd say the same thing if, say, Derek Chauvin would've gotten 5 years probation and no jail time, or how do you'd feel about the guy with his 5th DUI vehicular manslaughter ...

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

In recent years, I’ve seen two white boys get no jail time for rape because judges didn’t think they deserve jail time as it may “ruin their lives”.

I have zero trust in their ability to practice discretion with sentencing.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I wonder if you'd say the same thing if, say, Derek Chauvin would've gotten 5 years probation and no jail time, or how do you'd feel about the guy with his 5th DUI vehicular manslaughter ...

Yes my pointing out the glaring issues in the industrial prison complex means I think everyone should get probation

 

[SystemShock]

Yes my pointing out the glaring issues in the industrial prison complex means I think everyone should get probation

You claimed, and I quote, that mandatory mins were put in place to guarantee private jails that they could maintain their operating quotas, that mandatory sentences were.

That may be true - although you'd need to offer some evidence of that - but the other function of mandatory sentences is to assure there is some level of punishment for whatever crime was committed. If we do away with mandatory sentences - and by your comment you are clearly against them - and leave sentencing to the discretion of the judge, then it could happen that someone like Derek Chauvin could not see jail time for what he did, if he gets a sympathetic judge.

As it is, we already have cases in which people who are found guilty of felonies are set free on probation (i.e., until they are caught again).

And I am almost 100% sure that you are not going to suggest to let a jury determine the sentence.