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Saints clearly drafted him based on traits/measurables. At 28 in a relatively weak draft at the top (many teams had 15-17 prospects with 1st round grades per media reports), maybe that is the best you can do.
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Not sure if that was the case. He was pegged as a quick riser based on good medical reports. We may have been able to trade down to early 2nd and get him, but not sure if he makes it all the way to 60. Have to trust the scouts on him as he has a few question marks given injury history, and production against a lower level of competition. However, the staff clearly sees something in him that made them pretty excited to get him.My issue is not with the player... My issue is, I think we could have possibly got him at pick 60... I think that's where Mike was too.
Man we had an old saying growing up on the bayou, you can't catch a gator with rice in your ears. And I guarantee you Sean payton and Mickey Loomis are learning that the hard way right now.
He definitely has first round traits.Raised legit questions about why his production is/was low but also disregarded a legit explanation. Extrapolate his numbers from last year across a full schedule and your looking at 20 TFL and 13 sacks.
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another important point is that there are never 32 1st round prospects. Sometime it’s 15 sometimes it’s fewer but picking at 28 usually means you’re getting 2nd round prospects anyhow.
In other words everyone left likely had a 2nd round grade unless your the Saints who saw him as having 1st round traits.
My issue is not with the player... My issue is, I think we could have possibly got him at pick 60... I think that's where Mike was too.
I look at it differently, I think it all depends on how much you trust Jeff Ireland and his scouting staff. Guys seem to think you are supposed to hit on EVERY SINGLE PICK.....no one does....that said Ireland drafting defensive players is more hit than miss, I trust him still....also what EJW said....context, situation and circumstances sometimes are meaningful....the more I read about him, the more I like the pick...we'll see what happens....
There was a run on edge rushers after our pick. Pick 30-32 we're all edge rushers. You're assuming that those 3 teams wouldn't have drafted him. That's a huge assumption.I said possibly.... Still... A move up into the 40 - 50 range likely would have landed him in the 2nd... I don't see the value at 28... Again, I hope I am wrong and he's not another "measurables" guy like Davenport... and turns into JJ Watt.... I have never been big on "late risers" in the 1st... There are good reasons they were not there to start, and I think many teams out smart themselves when they do this. JMO
There was a run on edge rushers after our pick. Pick 30-32 we're all edge rushers. You're assuming that those 3 teams wouldn't have drafted him. That's a huge assumption.
I said possibly.... Still... A move up into the 40 - 50 range likely would have landed him in the 2nd... I don't see the value at 28... Again, I hope I am wrong and he's not another "measurables" guy like Davenport... and turns into JJ Watt.... I have never been big on "late risers" in the 1st... There are good reasons they were not there to start, and I think many teams out smart themselves when they do this. JMO
I don't disagree with you, but our judgment of value is based on youtube videos and blogger analyses. We do not have access to game tape, players' coaches nor do we scout the players like those paid to do so within the organization.I said possibly.... Still... A move up into the 40 - 50 range likely would have landed him in the 2nd... I don't see the value at 28... Again, I hope I am wrong and he's not another "measurables" guy like Davenport... and turns into JJ Watt.... I have never been big on "late risers" in the 1st... There are good reasons they were not there to start, and I think many teams out smart themselves when they do this. JMO
I agree completely. That was my thought as well. And with the Jags picking Etienne, I cannot think they would have been concerned about losing him by dropping 3 spots. I thought the Jags spot was ripe for a trade up for Newsome.I am floored that we couldn't move up 3 spots and take a guy like Newsome II (who went 26).... and instead took a guy (that is more likely than not) going to be a rotational / developmental guy for 2 seasons...