Are Loomis/Payton as good as their draft reputation? (1 Viewer)

[Danneaux]

Yes, they knocked it out of the park in 2006, no doubt.

But since then have they really drafted all that well? Other than Nicks and Graham, and to a lesser extent Ingram and Jordan, it doesn't look so good.

I'm not including 2012 since its way too early to judge. But even so we've already cut 1 of our 5 picks and two others eneded up on IR and one (White) is trashed pretty regularly.


2011 1 1 24 24 Cameron Jordan DE California
2011 2 1 28 28 Mark Ingram RB Alabama
2011 3 3 8 72 Martez Wilson LB Illinois
2011 4 3 24 88 Johnny Patrick DB Louisville
2011 5 7 23 226 Greg Romeus DE Pittsburgh
2011 6 7 40 243 Nate Bussey LB Illinois
2010 1 1 32 32 Patrick Robinson DB Florida State
2010 2 2 32 64 Charles Brown T USC
2010 3 3 31 95 Jimmy Graham TE Miami (FL)
2010 4 4 25 123 Al Woods DT Louisiana State
2010 5 5 27 158 Matt Tennant C Boston College
2010 6 7 32 239 Sean Canfield QB Oregon State
2009 1 1 14 14 Malcolm Jenkins DB Ohio State
2009 2 4 16 116 Chip Vaughn DB Wake Forest
2009 3 4 18 118 Stanley Arnoux LB Wake Forest
2009 4 5 28 164 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist
2008 1 1 7 7 Sedrick Ellis DT USC
2008 2 2 9 40 Tracy Porter DB Indiana
2008 3 5 9 144 DeMario Pressley DT North Carolina State
2008 4 5 29 164 Carl Nicks T Nebraska
2008 5 6 12 178 Taylor Mehlhaff K Wisconsin
2008 6 7 30 237 Adrian Arrington WR Michigan
2007 1 1 27 27 Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
2007 2 3 2 66 Usama Young DB Kent State
2007 3 3 25 88 Andy Alleman G Akron
2007 4 4 8 107 Antonio Pittman RB Ohio State
2007 5 4 26 125 Jermon Bushrod T Towson
2007 6 5 8 145 David Jones DB Wingate
2007 7 7 10 220 Marvin Mitchell LB Tennessee

Doesn't look so hot to me. I wonder how it compares to other top teams.

 

[SuperRemo]

That is downright terrible. Look at all those cut players....

We will enter next season with 8 out of those 30 players drafted in the last 6 years... assuming Bushrod resigns....

 

[bornnraisedwhodat]

On defense? No.

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[SaintsAreWinners]

Morestead is a pro-bowler and our lone special teams superstar.

I think those he should be bolded on this list.

 

[NolaFord]

Yes, they knocked it out of the park in 2006, no doubt.

But since then have they really drafted all that well? Other than Nicks and Graham, and to a lesser extent Ingram and Jordan, it doesn't look so good.

I'm not including 2012 since its way too early to judge. But even so we've already cut 1 of our 5 picks and two others eneded up on IR and one (White) is trashed pretty regularly.


2011 1 1 24 24 Cameron Jordan DE California
2011 2 1 28 28 Mark Ingram RB Alabama
2011 3 3 8 72 Martez Wilson LB Illinois
2011 4 3 24 88 Johnny Patrick DB Louisville
2011 5 7 23 226 Greg Romeus DE Pittsburgh
2011 6 7 40 243 Nate Bussey LB Illinois
2010 1 1 32 32 Patrick Robinson DB Florida State
2010 2 2 32 64 Charles Brown T USC
2010 3 3 31 95 Jimmy Graham TE Miami (FL)
2010 4 4 25 123 Al Woods DT Louisiana State
2010 5 5 27 158 Matt Tennant C Boston College
2010 6 7 32 239 Sean Canfield QB Oregon State
2009 1 1 14 14 Malcolm Jenkins DB Ohio State
2009 2 4 16 116 Chip Vaughn DB Wake Forest
2009 3 4 18 118 Stanley Arnoux LB Wake Forest
2009 4 5 28 164 Thomas Morstead P Southern Methodist
2008 1 1 7 7 Sedrick Ellis DT USC
2008 2 2 9 40 Tracy Porter DB Indiana
2008 3 5 9 144 DeMario Pressley DT North Carolina State
2008 4 5 29 164 Carl Nicks T Nebraska
2008 5 6 12 178 Taylor Mehlhaff K Wisconsin
2008 6 7 30 237 Adrian Arrington WR Michigan
2007 1 1 27 27 Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
2007 2 3 2 66 Usama Young DB Kent State
2007 3 3 25 88 Andy Alleman G Akron
2007 4 4 8 107 Antonio Pittman RB Ohio State
2007 5 4 26 125 Jermon Bushrod T Towson
2007 6 5 8 145 David Jones DB Wingate
2007 7 7 10 220 Marvin Mitchell LB Tennessee

Doesn't look so hot to me. I wonder how it compares to other top teams.

Fixed it for ya. you forgot to bold our Pro-bowl Punter

 

[Danneaux]

When you have to point out the punter, you know its bad.

 

[Mackenzie]

When you have to point out the punter, you know its bad.

I think the point is, he should be in bold. But yeah... it doesn't look good.

 

[los226]

That's what happens when you have a GM that's not really a football guy. Hey, it could be worse just look at the Jets.

 

[mony_b22]

Ok question is how are you grading these? Currently on the roster, star potential, what? I think we got exactly the value at some of those picks. Some exceeded and some didn't so i balances out. We didn't hit a homerun on all the picks but i think some were solid. Porter and meachem for ex.

 

[SuperRemo]

We need to look at our front office and scouting dept with great scrutiny.

There is a severe lack of football guys there. I'M ok with Loomis being a bean counter but we need to surround him with better evaluators not just sean payton who obvioulsy has a full plate.

Looking at our scouts, 1 of who is joe vitts son ands several are very young, I dont' see many old veteran guys there. Just some marginally educated former players who just look like frat boys who found a job...

 

[4thqtrsaint]

Its not just the draft I grade them on... Its Undrafted Free Agents. They drafted well enough to win a Super Bowl once & to make the playoffs several times, 2 NFC Championship games & several double digit win seasons. They aren't the perfect coach/gm combo, but there aren't many others I'd rather have.

Just my opinion.

 

[NoleansSaints2526]

This isn't quite fair. Sed Ellis and Malcolm Jenkins were projected studs. How can you blame a gm or coach for moving up for guys that nearly every scout and analyst speak highly of? Also, a majority of the others had injury concerns. I get that there are some busts on there but for the most part our drafts seem to have far more value than other teams when it's all said and done.

 

[K.B.]

pretty disgusted looking at that list. how in the hell can we strike out so many times? we really need to bring in better scouts for the defensive side of the ball this is really troubling.

 

[jt21]

Looking at that draft record, you can see why the defense, more specifically the front seven, has been pretty awful in the Payton era. Only 3 DEs (I include Wilson in this) and all of them came in 2011, 3 linebackers(not including Wilson) - none of whom are still on the team. Also with trades, etc, they only had seven picks once during that span; with so few picks, it magnifies the fact that they haven't hit any home runs and have missed on so many players.

 

[Superfan]

Atlanta Falcons draft 2007-2012

It like this for every team. hits and misses

2007 Draft

Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 8 8 Jamaal Anderson Defensive End Arkansas
2 7 39 Justin Blalock Guard Texas
2 9 41 Chris Houston Cornerback Arkansas
3 11 75 Laurent Robinson Wide Receiver Illinois State
4 10 109 Stephen Nicholas Linebacker South Florida
4 34 133 Martrez Milner Tight End Georgia
6 11 185 Trey Lewis Defensive Tackle Washburn
6 20 194 David Irons Cornerback Auburn
6 24 198 Doug Datish Center Ohio State
6 29 203 Daren Stone Safety Maine
7 34 244 Jason Snelling Running Back Virginia

2008 Draft

Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 3 3 Matt Ryan Quarterback Boston College
1 21 21 Sam Baker Offensive Tackle USC
2 6 37 Curtis Lofton Linebacker Oklahoma
3 5 68 Chevis Jackson Cornerback LSU
3 21 84 Harry Douglas Wide Receiver Louisville
3 35 98 Thomas DeCoud Safety California
5 3 138 Robert James Linebacker Arizona State
5 19 154 Kroy Biermann Defensive End Montana
6 6 173 Thomas Brown Running Back Georgia
7 5 212 Wilrey Fontenot Cornerback Arizona
7 25 232 Keith Zinger Tight End LSU
2009 Draft

Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 24 24 Peria Jerry Defensive Tackle Mississippi
2 23 55 William Moore Safety Missouri
3 26 90 Christopher Owens Cornerback San José State
4 25 125 Lawrence Sidbury Defensive End Richmond
5 2 138 William Middleton Cornerback Furman
5 20 156 Garrett Reynolds Offensive Tackle North Carolina
6 3 176 Spencer Adkins Linebacker Miami (FL)
7 1 210 Vance Walker Defensive Tackle Georgia Tech

2010 Draft

Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 19 19 Sean Weatherspoon Linebacker Missouri
3 19 83 Corey Peters Defensive Tackle Kentucky
3 34 98 Mike Johnson Guard Alabama
4 19 117 Joe Hawley Guard UNLV
5 4 135 Dominique Franks Cornerback Oklahoma
5 34 165 Kerry Meier Wide Receiver Kansas
6 2 171 Shann Schillinger Safety Montana

2011 Draft

Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 6 6 Julio Jones Wide Receiver Alabama
3 27 91 Akeem Dent Linebacker Georgia
5 14 145 Jacquizz Rodgers Running Back Oregon State
6 27 192 Matt Bosher Punter Miami (FL)
7 7 210 Andrew Jackson Guard Fresno State
7 27 230 Cliff Matthews Defensive End South Carolina
2012 Draft

Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
2 23 55 Peter Konz Center Wisconsin
3 28 91 Lamar Holmes Offensive Tackle Southern Miss
5 23 158 Bradie Ewing Fullback Wisconsin
5 29 164 Jonathan Massaquoi Linebacker Troy
6 22 192 Charles Mitchell Safety Mississippi State
7 42 249 Travian Robertson Defensive Tackle South Carolina

 

[mony_b22]

And thats my thing

This isn't quite fair. Sed Ellis and Malcolm Jenkins were projected studs. How can you blame a gm or coach for moving up for guys that nearly every scout and analyst speak highly of? Also, a majority of the others had injury concerns. I get that there are some busts on there but for the most part our drafts seem to have far more value than other teams when it's all said and done.

Porter was a solid guy, Ellis and Jenkins have had their highs and lows but far from bust imo just not what we projected. Still not even included the undrafted ones(jo-lunn dunbar,PT crusier) as well. Some guys we were hoping to do more but we got what we got out of them ala usama young, marvin mitchell,and meachem. I'm not sure whats the measurements for this thread but I see a few more names on that list that wasn't just warm bodies wearing a uni. Far from spectacular but not doom and gloom either.