Are you out of your blessed mind, Newt? (1 Viewer)

[DadsDream]

I wouldn't call 1,292 AP web articles quoting the bogus Iraqi cop "peppering."

As reported on that Glenn Beck show, Muslim school children are being taught that Allah turned Americans into pigs and apes, so it's OK for them to kill us. Texts like that abound on the Internet.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Freedom of the press gets re-examined all the time, especially in federal court.

Based on the national debates stirred up by the various articles the NYT has run based on leaked/classifed information, I'd say the conversation is well underway.

I'd like to hear exactly what Newt has in mind before dismissing him.

Besides, he's my current '08 favorite - the only guy I've seen that understands why New Orleans and the Gulf is important and advocates a national investment in flood protection down here. Everyone else in the field is only interested in scoring points with it (D) or forgetting us altogether (R).

 

[TPS]

>>As reported on that Glenn Beck show, Muslim school children are being taught that Allah turned Americans into pigs and apes, so it's OK for them to kill us. Texts like that abound on the Internet.

Two comments:

1) Thanks for the transcript. I was only on the treadmill for 20 minutes, so I didn't see the whole thing (FWIW, the G show has come a long, long way).

2) I think we just need to threaten them once and for all: Cut the **** out or we're sending the pigs blood in ahead of the bombs. If those people are that guillible, then they're not going to want that blood all over them. I think we could mine an entirely new meaning for "terror". And like the British did in Rhodesia where they circulated that video of the dismemberment, we should have something to back up our strategy with too - get out of line, you're taking a bath. And then, my friend, you die.

:rock:

andThenmyfriendyoudiePS

 

[TPS]

Just read the whole thing. Thanks again, it was a powerful show.

TPS

 

[BullDawg]

How is this any different than what has come out of Iran since the fall of the Shah?

 

[DadsDream]

How is this any different than what has come out of Iran since the fall of the Shah?

Not the content, the worldwide distribution through the Internet as part of an overall strategy to discredit the United States.

Did you happen to read the latest letter to the American public from the president of Iran today? Apparently, he watches Comedy Central and reads DailyKos.

 

[Random Fan]

Other than:

Gingrich, speaking at a Manchester awards banquet, said a "different set of rules" may be needed to reduce terrorists' ability to use the Internet and free speech to recruit and get out their message.

"We need to get ahead of the curve before we actually lose a city, which I think could happen in the next decade," said Gingrich, a Republican who helped engineer the GOP's takeover of Congress in 1994.

... I didn't see anything substantive in the article vis-a-vis the thread topic. Until I actually see specifics of what he's proposing there is nothing to comment on.

As far as "losing a city" goes, I think that can happen now given the less than stellar security at international harbors. Also Gingrich has about as much chance at winning the GOP nomination in 2008 as I do.

 

[HouDat]

More and more I see this "terrorism threat" as an excuse for the gov't to take personal freedoms away from citizens.
Again, it is all of these dinosaurs in power who can let go of the "old school" mentality.

Of course, being that the press is viewed as being liberal or downright leftist, the partisans will not see a problem with that.

But just wait until they start advocating gun control as a means of "fighting the war on terrorism".

Yeah, because only conservatives or "rightists" are partisan. Yeah!

/baaa


There are, believe it or not, a few of us who feel the First is just as important as the Second. And vice versa.

 

[Dave]

What did Newt really say about free speech and terrorism?

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NEWT GINGRICH: …The third thing I want to talk about very briefly is the genuine danger of terrorism in particular terrorists using weapons of mass destruction and weapons of mass murder, nuclear and biological weapons. And I want to suggest to you that right now we should be impaneling people to look seriously at a level of supervision that we would never dream of if it weren’t for the scale of threats.

Let me give you two examples. When the British this summer arrested people who were planning to blow up ten airliners in one day, they arrested a couple who were going to use their six month old baby in order to hide the bomb as baby milk.

Now, if I come to you tonight and said that there are people on the planet who hate you, and they are 15-25 year old males who are willing to die as long as they get to kill you, I’ve simply described the warrior culture which is the true for 6 or 7 thousand years.

But, if I come to you and say that there is a couple that hates you so much that they will kill there six month old baby in order to kill you, I am describing a level of ferocity, and a level of savagery beyond anything we have tried to handle.


And, what is truly freighting about the British experience is they are arresting British citizens, born in
</PLACE>, speaking English, who went to British schools, live in British housing, and have good jobs.

This is a serious long term war, and it will enviably lead us to want to know what is said in every suspect place in the country, that will lead us to learn how to close down every website that is dangerous, and it will lead us to a very severe approach to people who advocate the killing of Americans and advocate the use of nuclear of biological weapons.

And, my prediction to you is that ether before we lose a city, or if we are truly stupid, after we lose a city, we will adopt rules of engagement that use every technology we can find to break up their capacity to use the internet, to break up their capacity to use free speech, and to go after people who want to kill us to stop them from recruiting people before they get to reach out and convince young people to destroy their lives while destroying us.

This is a serious problem that will lead to a serious debate about the first amendment, but I think that the national security threat of losing an American city to a nuclear weapon, or losing several million Americans to a biological attack is so real that we need to proactively, now, develop the appropriate rules of engagement.

And, I further think that we should propose a Genève convention for fighting terrorism which makes very clear that those who would fight outside the rules of law, those who would use weapons of mass destruction, and those who would target civilians are in fact subject to a totally different set of rules that allow us to protect civilization by defeating barbarism before it gains so much strength that it is truly horrendous.

This is a sober topic, but I think it is a topic we need a national dialogue about, and we need to get ahead of the curve rather than wait until actually we literary lose a city which could literally happen within the next decade if we are unfortunate. So…

(APPLAUSE)
http://www.newt.org/backpage.asp?art=3819

 

[DadsDream]

In all fairness, New Hampshire newspapers have a reputation to maintain.

NEW HAVEN ADVOCATE
Bush Nuts
Are George W. Bush lovers certifiable?
November 23, 2006
By Andy Bromage

...a direct link between mental illness and support for President Bush...

READ MORE
http://www.ctnow.com/custom/nmm/new...-1123-nh48bushbash48.artnov23,0,1695911.story

 

[RebSaint]

In all fairness, New Hampshire newspapers have a reputation to maintain.

NEW HAVEN ADVOCATE
Bush Nuts
Are George W. Bush lovers certifiable?
November 23, 2006
By Andy Bromage

...a direct link between mental illness and support for President Bush...

READ MORE
http://www.ctnow.com/custom/nmm/new...-1123-nh48bushbash48.artnov23,0,1695911.story

And????? I'm sure other news outlets carried the same story.

I don't see the relationship between this story and unadulterated Bush-bashing.

 

[DadsDream]

Yes, lots of other news outlets carried the story...they all referred back to the original story carried by the New Haven Advocate.

Yes, it was carried as a NEWS item, not an editorial.

I've seen a lot of efforts to discredit the results of the past two presidential elections, but this one takes the cake.

To remain on-topic, refer back to my earlier post about the Newt story coming in snippets from a newspaper in New Hampshire, which is noted for...well, what are New Hampshire newspapers noted for?

 

[RebSaint]

Yes, lots of other news outlets carried the story...they all referred back to the original story carried by the New Haven Advocate.

Yes, it was carried as a NEWS item, not an editorial.

I've seen a lot of efforts to discredit the results of the past two presidential elections, but this one take the cake.

Again, I fail to see relevancy of the last point with the initial story and the concern over government curtailing or limiting free speech over the internet.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Good find Dave, very nice read. I did a search for the words like media and newspaper and a few other news related words and didn't find them anywhere. His comments really seem aimed and curtailing 1st Amendment rights in an effort to limit recruiting ability as I stated earlier not at our media.

I would say outside organizations and nations are not even covered by our 1st Amendment. Thus if the government wanted to block AQ's website or use hackers to bring it down or whatever I don't really see an issue. As long as their target isn't silencing an American citizen more power to them.

 

[DadsDream]

Relevancy of the New Haven (New Hampshire) Advocate story about voting preferences and mental illness:

The original story, posted by Reb, was from a New Hampshire newspaper titled The Union Leader. Not exactly non-partisan reporting, to be sure.