Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (33 Viewers)

Will you get the covid vaccine when offered?

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Sun Wukong

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He's doing better now. Glad for that. no matter what his views were. But will be interesting to see if his comments change . . . because you never know these days.


I doubt they will. Many cases of people coming down with it themselves or losing a loved one and going right back to the same stuff they were saying before. Logic, or even just good old fashioned reality, is not in play for a lot of these people. It's very cult-like, and that's what makes it scary. How do you reach people who refuse to accept reality?

Hopefully I'm wrong, but previous experience doesn't have me too optmistic.
 

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I doubt they will. Many cases of people coming down with it themselves or losing a loved one and going right back to the same stuff they were saying before. Logic, or even just good old fashioned reality, is not in play for a lot of these people. It's very cult-like, and that's what makes it scary. How do you reach people who refuse to accept reality?

Hopefully I'm wrong, but previous experience doesn't have me too optmistic.

At least some people are willing to change their minds:

 

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Not a bad idea
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......I propose a running tally in bold type: covid deaths among unvaccinated vs. vaccinated citizens. Two numbers, side by side. Every newspaper’s front page, every state and federal website, the crawl at the bottom of every cable television news broadcast.

Google can design something cute for its search bar. Facebook owes it to us.

Every day, all day. Two numbers.

We couldn’t do this until now. When I tried to find out how many covid deaths could have been prevented if people just wore masks, the best I could come up with was the public health literature equivalent of “lots.” A study published last October in Nature Medicine hazarded that with masking nearly 130,000 lives could be saved by the spring, but researchers cautioned the model was more a “sophisticated thought experiment” than a prediction, a rough estimate.

But now that we have the vaccine and almost everyone eligible for it can get it, we don’t have to estimate. We can count. And the numbers show the overwhelming odds that a person who dies of covid has not been vaccinated.

As for the minuscule chance that I, as a vaccinated person, could die of covid? That’s because the unvaccinated are choosing to keep the virus alive.
So, let’s make it simple. Let’s ask our best analysts to put out a single set of numbers every day.

The Associated Press, using figures provided by the CDC, found that of the more than 18,000 Americans who died of covid in May, only about 150 were fully vaccinated. That’s 0.8 percent.

Between Jan. 21 and July 9, 2,471 Virginians died of covid; 18 of them were vaccinated, or 0.7 percent.

Between Jan. 1 and June 30, 37,180 Californians died of covid; about 71 — 0.2 percent — were vaccinated.

Maryland reported that of the 130 Marylanders who died of covid in June, none were vaccinated.

130 vs. 0. I can see it on a billboard now..........

 
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Alright, I know we've all said the stuff coming out of Israel is kind of sketchy in terms of data, but they finally released numbers on the declines they were vaguely talking about this past weekend and it is too shocking not to at least bring up:


The pertinent, if oddly phrased, information:

Preliminary data from an analysis conducted by the Health Ministry shows 42% decrease in vaccine protection from infections and up to 60% (decrease) from severe illness among vaccinated

This just...doesn't match what we're seeing in the UK and other places with high levels of vaccination. I'm genuinely confounded by what to make of these numbers. If true, this is very bad news.
 

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This just...doesn't match what we're seeing in the UK and other places with high levels of vaccination. I'm genuinely confounded by what to make of these numbers. If true, this is very bad news.
Something is just squirelly about Israeli information about COVID. I guess that's not a very scientific, open-minded approach to their information, but so be it.

If something confounding comes out of Israel, I want it corroborated by information from somewhere else. As of now -- that study and those numbers are outliers, as you pointed out. Still need more info to change consensus.
 
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Something is just squirelly about Israeli information about COVID. I guess that's not a very scientific, open-minded approach to their information, but so be it.

If something confounding comes out of Israel, I want it corroborated by information from somewhere else. As of now -- that study and those numbers are outliers, as you pointed out. Still need more info to change consensus.

I guess the thing people are looking at now is space between doses. That Israel at three weeks between shots may be less potent than the UK stretching it out to like 12. In which case boosters would obviously be needed. And for the U.S., where we did four weeks, we would probably be in that same hypothetical boat.

But Israel isn't releasing raw data and their overall numbers are still comparatively low so it's all just speculation for now.
 

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