Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (3 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

The dopes who say that the vaccine gave them genital herpes are just trying to explain to their spouses how they got warts from the Covid vaccine and not from philandering

Yes, very likely. The same probably goes for a handful of different kinds of reactions.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

That's absolutely true, but people like the man in the video I posted above are being discounted and brushed aside by the medical community as a whole. He did the right thing and got vaccinated and is now paying a very hefty price because of it. He still encourages others to get vaccinated to this day. His message is that those who are injured by vaccines need to be taken seriously and not just brushed aside and told to just wait that it will just go away in time.

I feel like people who actually have real issues are hurt by the false information spread by the anti vaxxers than they are by people who are pro vax. The anti vax crowd make up so many lies, guys like above get hurt by them.

 

[itztime]

I feel like people who actually have real issues are hurt by the false information spread by the anti vaxxers than they are by people who are pro vax. The anti vax crowd make up so many lies, guys like above get hurt by them.

But the crowd he is appealing to is professionals, he shouldnt be hurt by them, professionals should easily be able to sort through the fiction vs keyboard warriors. A vaccine will never be 100% without side effects or deaths but those that work on the vaccine have to continue to mitigate the risk by studies and work to approve in any areas they can.

 

[SaintInBucLand]

I feel like people who actually have real issues are hurt by the false information spread by the anti vaxxers than they are by people who are pro vax. The anti vax crowd make up so many lies, guys like above get hurt by them.

They absolutely are hurt by false information, but they are also hurt by the fact that they get brushed aside and their concerns are never addressed because people in power don't want their issues to see light of day because how it may hurt the vaccination effort. It's definitely a difficult situation. But we need to help those people who have been injured by the vaccines. My cousin being one of them, he is still dealing with debilitating neurological issues and it's all coming out of his pocket(for what his insurance doesn't cover). The manufactures of the vaccines need to pay for the medical care of those who get injured by the vaccines.

I want to ask a simple question to all here. Do you think the makers of the vaccines should pay for the medical expenses of those who are injured from vaccines?

 

[Arathrael]

They absolutely are hurt by false information, but they are also hurt by the fact that they get brushed aside and their concerns are never addressed because people in power don't want their issues to see light of day because how it may hurt the vaccination effort. It's definitely a difficult situation. But we need to help those people who have been injured by the vaccines. My cousin being one of them, he is still dealing with debilitating neurological issues and it's all coming out of his pocket(for what his insurance doesn't cover). The manufactures of the vaccines need to pay for the medical care of those who get injured by the vaccines.

I want to ask a simple question to all here. Do you think the makers of the vaccines should pay for the medical expenses of those who are injured from vaccines?

So first, the principle that people who have serious problems caused by vaccines should be supported in some way is already established (for a couple of examples, in the USA there's the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, here in the UK there's Vaccine Damage Payments (although bear in mind people wouldn't have to pay for their healthcare here beyond what they're already contributing to it in taxation)).

But in general, if your answer to "Should people who are injured by vaccines should get financial support?" is - reasonably! - "Yes," there's still some other questions that need to be answered. For example:

How should it be determined whether the vaccine caused the injury? So, for example, if someone develops neurological issues post-vaccination, how should it be determined whether the vaccine caused it, or whether it's coincidental and they would have developed the neurological issues anyway? This is a pretty complex issue, because establishing causation, particularly where the effects can be incredibly rare, is difficult.

And how should the amount of support be determined? Who should be responsible for that?

There's a lot of different answers to those. 'Through the courts' is one option, but the problem with that is it can result in vaccines becoming very expensive, or manufacturers ceasing to manufacture them because it's not worth it (and, as I've mentioned before, this was happening with the DPT vaccine in the 1980s. which is why a federal system was established for compensation in the first place).

But to answer your specific question, I'd say no, the makers of the vaccine should not pay for the medical expenses... because medical expenses should be covered through universal healthcare in the first place.

 

[faceman]

I want to ask a simple question to all here. Do you think the makers of the vaccines should pay for the medical expenses of those who are injured from vaccines?

No, it would end future research out of fear of lawsuits. Vaccines are not 100% effective and never have been. Their track
record throughout history has been outstanding though. Unfortunately a small number are going to have an adverse
reaction.

 

[SaintInBucLand]

No, it would end future research out of fear of lawsuits. Vaccines are not 100% effective and never have been. Their track
record throughout history has been outstanding though. Unfortunately a small number are going to have an adverse
reaction.

This saddens me, as it means we just let people like this man suffer. He did the right thing and got vaccinated and his life has been drastically impacted to a terrible degree.

I agree we should have universal healthcare so that treating people injured vaccines would not cost them anything, but there has to be something we can do for people who do the right thing and become a casualty.

Or do you think their stories and plight should be kept from the light of day so it doesn't make others fearful or getting vaccinated. I know this is a difficult thing to discuss, but if you really believe in transparency and the truth being out there for all to see you have to be honest and show the world there are things that can happen to you, like the man above.

 

[faceman]

This saddens me, as it means we just let people like this man suffer. He did the right thing and got vaccinated and his life has been drastically impacted to a terrible degree.

I agree we should have universal healthcare so that treating people injured vaccines would not cost them anything, but there has to be something we can do for people who do the right thing and become a casualty.

Or do you think their stories and plight should be kept from the light of day so it doesn't make others fearful or getting vaccinated. I know this is a difficult thing to discuss, but if you really believe in transparency and the truth being out there for all to see you have to be honest and show the world there are things that can happen to you, like the man above.

I agree I was a little harsh. I do agree he needs to be taken care of financially but not by money from a vaccine company
lawsuit.

 

[superchuck500]

I want to ask a simple question to all here.l. Do you think the makers of the vaccines should pay for the medical expenses of those who are injured from vaccines?

We had a lengthy discussion about this not that long ago. Do we need to do it again - same points and everything?

 

[Saint_Ward]

We had a lengthy discussion about this not that long ago. Do we need to do it again - same points and everything?

Official response above. Use the search function.

 

[SaintInBucLand]

We had a lengthy discussion about this not that long ago. Do we need to do it again - same points and everything?

Discussion, if done with the purpose of advancing ideas that help everyone are always good, unless you don't want the issue being talked about then I guess you dont want to discuss it. That is fair.

 

[superchuck500]

Discussion, if done with the purpose of advancing ideas that help everyone are always good, unless you don't want the issue being talked about then I guess you dont want to discuss it. That is fair.

Fatigue is not suppression.

 

[SaintInBucLand]

Fatigue is not suppression.

No no, you said it doesn't need to be discussed you win.

 

[superchuck500]

No no, you said it doesn't need to be discussed you win.

I’m pretty sure I didn’t say that.

 

[faceman]

We had a lengthy discussion about this not that long ago. Do we need to do it again - same points and everything?

It was probably said before,but I'll repeat it. Vaccines are not where the drug companies make their money. Most of
their profits come from medications that require continuous use. Meds for high blood pressure,diabetes,high cholesterol
etc.

I remember watching a documentary years ago about a versa infection that had broken out in a hospital. The question
was asked why don't drug companies put a lot of time into developing an anti-biotic to cure it. The answer was it would
not be profitable. They'd pour billions into research and development for a drug that would only be used one time. I'm
sure the drug companies made money from the covid vaccines,but it's not sustainable in the long term. If they could be
sued,no drug company would invest into developing a vaccine that gives us a cure.