Asking the tough questions: Lattimore & Cam Jordan (1 Viewer)

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Lattimore: Has it appeared to anyone that Lattimore isn't as fast as he was in 2017? I've noticed a few times this year where some receivers simply out ran him. I don't really recall this being an issue in 2017. If so, is it due to his ankle that he had surgery on during the off season?

Jordan: Has Cam Jordan regressed in 2018 compared to 2017? If so, was it injury related or due to a style of change in the defense?

To be clear, I am not suggesting or saying that Cam & Lattimore or bad in any way. They are the cornerstone of our defense. I am just asking to see if anyone else has noticed this, or are my eyes playing tricks on me.
 

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Lattimore's rookie season was so good that the bar was set exceptionally high. I did notice that he seemed to give up a LOT more this year. Now, I don't know for certain but I seemed to remember reading several times that his work-ethic slacked off because of his wild success in year one. Again, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE. But it was evident to me that he was beaten more in his sophomore year than his rookie year.

Cam is still great but he needs a consistent threat on the other side. I think with Davenport fully healthy next year and HOPEFULLY Rankins doing his thing fully healthy next year, we can all see how ridiculously good Cam is.
Unfortunately, I think it’s safe to assume Rankins won’t be playing in 2019.
 

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I love Cam’s motor and leadership and I almost feel blasphemous in suggesting that Cam maybe a bit overrated as a pass rusher, lacking explosive speed. Unlike a prototypical speed rusher he gets a lot of sacks late in the play due to good coverage or flush from another DLineman.
Wait, what? So a sack late in the play doesn't count? In the NFL a Sack is Sack, I don't care how you get it.

He may lack explosive speed like Khalil Mack but the production is there. Just compare Mack's numbers this season to Jordan's in a "down year":

Khalil Mack - 12.5 Sacks, 18 QB Hits, 10 Tackles For Loss

Cam Jordan - 12 Sacks, 21 QB Hits, 18 Tackles For Loss
 

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Cam in no way had a down year. He's at or near the top in best in the league at his position. I'm not sure what more he has to do. :shrug:

And 18 tackles for loss is just as impressive as sacks. That's really hard to do.
 

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Lattimore: Has it appeared to anyone that Lattimore isn't as fast as he was in 2017? I've noticed a few times this year where some receivers simply out ran him. I don't really recall this being an issue in 2017. If so, is it due to his ankle that he had surgery on during the off season?

Jordan: Has Cam Jordan regressed in 2018 compared to 2017? If so, was it injury related or due to a style of change in the defense?

To be clear, I am not suggesting or saying that Cam & Lattimore or bad in any way. They are the cornerstone of our defense. I am just asking to see if anyone else has noticed this, or are my eyes playing tricks on me.
I think your eyes may be playing tricks, quite frankly.

But even if true, what would it change? Both are cornerstone players that have no peer ( and therefore no replacement) on this roster, even after the most feverish of forumite trade/draft scenarios.
 
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I think your eyes may be playing tricks, quite frankly.

But even if true, what would it change? Both are cornerstone players that have no peer ( and therefore no replacement) on this roster, even after the most feverish of forumite trade/draft scenarios.
Mainly just observation.
 
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I think losing Rankins early in the first playoff game had something to do with that, although, yes, we didn't get enough pressure in either of those two games.
Interior pressure is golden. It'll be interesting to see how we address it moving forward.
 
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The whole season? Why? What makes you say that? I can see him missing the start of the season and maybe not being back to form until the 2nd half of the schedule.
I think they projected him to come back towards the middle of next year. If true, it may take him an additional few weeks to get to where he left off (hopefully). So I can understand if the Saints is treating the position like he won't be available until 2020.
 

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pretty sure it came out that Latt had an ankle injury. Outside of getting dusted by antonio brown he was pretty much lockdown second half of the season; and i'm not even sure the AB game was totally on him
 

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My first reaction is why are you questioning what to do with the best 2 defensive players and the leader of the defense (Cam)?

My second is who exactly would you find that would adequately replace them? I think those are tougher questions than your original....
 
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My first reaction is why are you questioning what to do with the best 2 defensive players and the leader of the defense (Cam)?

My second is who exactly would you find that would adequately replace them? I think those are tougher questions than your original....
I don't think you understood my question. My question was have either Cam or Lattimore regressed in 2018 compared to 2017. This had nothing to do with replacing them. As I mentioned, they are the cornerstone of our defense.
 

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I think Lattimore's 2018 offseason was the reason that he did not match his 2017 All Pro performance. Hopefully, lesson learned.

A concern not discussed is Marcus Williams, who also did not play to his 2017 level.
 
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I think Lattimore's 2018 offseason was the reason that he did not match his 2017 All Pro performance. Hopefully, lesson learned.

A concern not discussed is Marcus Williams, who also did not play to his 2017 level.
Good point.
I'm curious if the change in defensive philosophy took away his ability to roam the field? I am not 100% sure if that's the reason why his INTs were down.
 

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I don't think you understood my question. My question was have either Cam or Lattimore regressed in 2018 compared to 2017. This had nothing to do with replacing them. As I mentioned, they are the cornerstone of our defense.
I don't think you understand the replies. We are asking you what's the point of your question? If we were to say yes, what does it matter or how would anything change?
 

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Cam did not go backwards on any way. Latt started the year slow, then got his legs and was great for us again.

William's had the legitimate sophomore slump. It's a real thing. Something was off with him. Possibly over trained for strength which cost him some speed and maybe even endurance. I remember him getting all jacked after last season. With what he had pushing him, I could easily see this being the reason.

The cool thing is, the sophomore seasons are in the books. Lattimore and William's are 3rd year pros now. They should start entering their prime now. Where the body and mind are in sync and we see the true players without the rookie mental errors. They're entering their prime.

That goes for quite a few of our young players. If they all make the leap, we are in business.
 

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