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Yeah, I saw him on the sideline complaining to his WR's about no separation. Then he hits the TD to Edelman. So, he has his favorite WR and then a bunch of guys.... Advantage us. We have Ginn, too. :)
 

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Every year, people get enamored with the new toy. This year, it’s the Ravens and 49ers. Last year it was KC. The year before that, it was the Rams.

What all the people writing Brady off, Brees off, the Saints off, etc. always learn the hard way is that experience matters in the playoffs.
 

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Saintsreport rule: if the Saints are 10-2 they are above criticism and on their way to the Super Bowl. If another team is 10-2, they should bench their QB and stockpile draft picks for rebuilding.
This. We can criticize another team and say their Hall of Fame QB is showing his age, but if you do that to the Saints everyone wants to tar and feather you. Both teams are Superbowl favorites. SMDH.
 
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Brady has hit the wall just like Peyton Manning did mid way through his last season. You can see he knows it and that’s why he is showing his emotions.
He throws a deep ball like Brees and doesnt put velocity on his throws to make catches in small windows. Neither can throw their receivers open as in the past. The saints have to stop bringing in receivers who have poor hands and are poor route runners. Still wonder if Brees has the same grip strength he had prior to injury. That in itself will take some velocity off ball. The saints need to run the ball more.
 

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SPOILED Fans always complain about the WRs when their legend QB is no longer able to carry the offense.
There FIFY...

Totally agree with this. Saint and Pats fans have both gone the better part of 2 decades with two of the best QBs to ever play the game. Tom and Drew have made good receivers great for all that time. Now though, they need the players around them to step up to be able to continue that excellence for a little longer.

Right now they each only have 1 star WR and 1 star RB. New England picked up Sanu at the trade deadline hoping to give Brady another reliable weapon after Gordon crapped out again and the Antonio Brown fiasco... Saints brought in Jared Cook during the offseason for the same reason, and are just now starting to see returns on that investment.

Folks can talk all they want about Brees and Brady "hitting the wall", but they're still two of the better QBs in the league. I'm not sure there are any other QBs that could do what they're doing with the limited weapons at their disposal. Heck even the great Aaron Rodgers is dealing with a similar issue up in Green Bay. He has Adams and Jones and a bunch of young warm bodies... and his passing stats are just as inconsistent as those in NE and NO.

The torch might being passed to these new exciting young QBs, but the old dogs are still in the mix for the time being.
 

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They should seriously consider starting Garrett Stidham.
You must be one of those who thought Brock Osweiler would have been able to guide Denver through the 2015 playoffs and win a SB with that defense, all because Manning was no longer playing like his usual self.

I'm 28.3% sure
If only anyone else in this thread could have been clever enough to think that up already.....

Oh, wait...

Shouldn’t it be 28.3% sure. 😂
 

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I disagree. He just has no WR options, and he's missing Gronk. His receivers run the wrong routes, and they get no seperation. That's what he was shouting about last night.
 

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Every year, they throw dirt on Brady and every year he kicks it off and wins another Super Bowl. He's been there 9 times and has won 6. Brady will decide when he's done.
 

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I disagree. He just has no WR options, and he's missing Gronk. His receivers run the wrong routes, and they get no seperation. That's what he was shouting about last night.
There's some saying about a pot and a kettle that makes this discussion sound familiar. We complain anout no one outside of MT & AK, they're experiencing the same thing basically. Before the garbage time TD (The game was over) they were doubling Edelman and stopping the run. We've seen teams do the same to us, which is why these 2nd WR threads keep popping up.
 

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There's some saying about a pot and a kettle that makes this discussion sound familiar. We complain anout no one outside of MT & AK, they're experiencing the same thing basically. Before the garbage time TD (The game was over) they were doubling Edelman and stopping the run. We've seen teams do the same to us, which is why these 2nd WR threads keep popping up.
The difference is that we have Thomas, Cook, and Kamara. Brady has Edelman, and that is it. The Patriots haven't played anyone, and they have a great defense. They have gotten away with a lot up until last night. Their offensive woes showed up in a big way.
 

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The Pats and the Saints have striking similarities. The only big difference I see is the presence of one really good WR, in CGM. Both teams lack a deep passing game for whatever reason. Both teams have solid running games with one good receiving RB. The Saints should have a much better OL than the Pats but they are hurting because of injury. Both teams have very good, well rounded defenses.
 

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The difference is that we have Thomas, Cook, and Kamara. Brady has Edelman, and that is it. The Patriots haven't played anyone, and they have a great defense. They have gotten away with a lot up until last night. Their offensive woes showed up in a big way.
They have decent backs and Cook has become reliable these past few weeks. I'm not writing them off just yet. Unlike us, they're just year remove from winning the SB it's been 10 years for us.
 

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Brady struggled to complete 50% of his passes against a Houston defense that is 25th against the pass and didn't have JJ Watt. He "performed" in garbage time when Houston played a very soft zone. Brady has five games this season where he has completed less than 60% of his passes, and two games with less than 50%.

Drew Brees has zero games this season completing less than 60% of his passes, and has six games where he completed more than 70% of his passes. Were it not for five dropped passes against the falcons, he'd still be on pace to break his own completion percentage record. Brees is every bit as accurate as he's ever been, and has thrown some absolute dimes deep down the field that his receivers dropped.

Brees missed five games this season and the TD record is still a competitive race between him and Brady. Let that sink in. Brady had five games to really pull away and instead, they were tied in total TDs going into tonight's game. Brady now has a three touchdown lead.

If Brees hadn't missed five games, he'd already have broken the record.

Brady's absolutely hit a wall. He's struggling to run an offense focused on short, quick, high completion percentage throws. After 12 games, you can't say it is an overreaction, Brady is what he is. An average at best QB who is rapidly declining.
I agree with a good part of what you say, but I'd hate to see Brees' numbers if Michael Thomas had gotten traded away or went on IR after the first week. Point is, pickings are slim after MT. You remove MT from the equation, Kamara gets defended a little more differently, as does Cook, because Ted Ginn has brick hands and has never been really consistent, and TQS just hasn't arrived yet. Brady does not have very much help. Drew would look like arse too, as he did near the end of last year when offensive line injuries started piling up and teams that could really decided Drew was going to have to beat them throwing to someone other than MT and AK. Drew went from MVP frontrunner to "he hit a wall".
 

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