Brady has hit the wall (2 Viewers)

BooBirdSaint

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Yeah we had our hands full with Watson and that Texans offense. It took Drew and and last second field goal in the dome to salvage opening weekend...
 

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I noticed Brady's body changed last year, and have been expecting him to go into decline. When you get thick in the middle, it affects everything. Your throwing motion is affected, hits hurt you, you lose your leg agility, plus the extra weight you carry around. It's a slow process, so he may play 1 more year, but maybe not.
 

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I agree with a good part of what you say, but I'd hate to see Brees' numbers if Michael Thomas had gotten traded away or went on IR after the first week. Point is, pickings are slim after MT. You remove MT from the equation, Kamara gets defended a little more differently, as does Cook, because Ted Ginn has brick hands and has never been really consistent, and TQS just hasn't arrived yet. Brady does not have very much help. Drew would look like arse too, as he did near the end of last year when offensive line injuries started piling up and teams that could really decided Drew was going to have to beat them throwing to someone other than MT and AK. Drew went from MVP frontrunner to "he hit a wall".
Not having Michael Thomas would change the offense, but if we are going to play the "what if?" game, everyone would agree that in the event of an injury to Thomas in week 1, the Saints would have aggressively traded for a top flight WR, whatever the cost.

As for Brees' numbers, they wouldn't take as sharp of a dip as you think . Brees is averaging 39 attempts per game, but only 11 of those passes go towards Michael Thomas. That is 28% of his attempts. Even if Brees had a 100% completion percentage throwing to Thomas (he doesn't, it is 83%), there are still 72% of his passes that are having to be caught by someone else. Brees has never won because of his arm strength, he's won because he puts the ball in places where the defender can do nothing about it. If you remove Michael Thomas and his ridiculous catch rate from the Saints totals this season, Brees is still completing 70% of his passes.
 

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I don’t know about Brady hitting the wall; however, the fact of the matter is that Matt Ryan hit the floor. Hard.
When Akiem Hicks was with the Saints several seasons ago he sacked Matty Ice... Ryan asked: "Who are you?" He probably asked again of Shy Tuttle: "Who are you?"

One thing is for sure... he didn't have to ask who Cam Jordan is!
 

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Brady has hit the wall just like Peyton Manning did mid way through his last season. You can see he knows it and that’s why he is showing his emotions.
And the truth is, Brees has hit the wall as well, he hit in Dallas last year. Neither of these QB's will be playing much longer.
 

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I prefer Brees' wall to any version of any wall I've heard of lately. Only the fluke thumb injury kept him from having a fully-successful year in 2019, from a performance standpoint. Remember our baseball analogy when it comes to QBs......Brees has never been Nolan Ryan. He's become great by being Greg Maddux.
 

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Any person observing objectively can see that both Brady and Brees have hit a wall of sorts. Neither are the player they were 5 years ago, as you would expect from players in their 40s; they're both just managing their shortcomings well.

They've both gone from being elite QBs to being elite game managers that can make the occasional "wow" play or have the occasional "wow" moment, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
 

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I dont think it's as much on him as it is the offense as a whole.

Grant it, there is no denying the inevitable decline. Obviously there is some. Let's not act like he is not more then capable of dicing a defense up. If he was the qb of the Cheifs, or any other team with weapons, I promise you, you wouldn't be having this conversation
Which is why Brady is not the GOAT and Brees is. Look at the numbers Brees put up when he had no weapons around him.
 

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