Saints Brees #16?!?!? (1 Viewer)

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Game manager, system quarterback, you can call it what you want. All I know is that the "old" Drew Brees has played better and won more games on average than the "young" Drew Brees has. He should also have another ring. Arm strength be damned. I like Drew exactly how he is right now, cautious, precise, and accurate. Now that his gunslinger days are long gone he has a sophisticated game. Brees is the very definition of aging gracefully.
I certainly did not mean to disparage Drew, but you point out that he's won more games while at the same time not acknowledging the improvement in talent level around him after several great drafts.

Having a shutdown corner alone has equated to more wins, much less having arguably the best wide receiver in the game at his disposal, in addition to the best RT and many other pieces.

Drew is not the same player anymore, and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that. The guy is 41 years old for crying out loud. lol
 

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I certainly did not mean to disparage Drew, but you point out that he's won more games while at the same time not acknowledging the improvement in talent level around him after several great drafts.

Having a shutdown corner alone has equated to more wins, much less having arguably the best wide receiver in the game at his disposal, in addition to the best RT and many other pieces.

Drew is not the same player anymore, and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that. The guy is 41 years old for crying out loud. lol
Lol! Yes, he is ancient in QB years! And I certainly acknowledge that he's not the same player. I suppose my opinion is a little unorthodox, but my point is that I'm glad he's not the same player. Whatever arm strength Drew thought he had in his younger days was often used to his own detriment. Remember those three-interception games? A thing of the past. He knows his limitations and plays to his strengths, just like an aging quarterback should. He's the perfect quarterback for this team right now. I acknowledge the improved talent, but I also recognize the improved Drew. In my opinion, his last three seasons have been his best.
 

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Lol! Yes, he is ancient in QB years! And I certainly acknowledge that he's not the same player. I suppose my opinion is a little unorthodox, but my point is that I'm glad he's not the same player. Whatever arm strength Drew thought he had in his younger days was often used to his own detriment. Remember those three-interception games? A thing of the past. He knows his limitations and plays to his strengths, just like an aging quarterback should. He's the perfect quarterback for this team right now. I acknowledge the improved talent, but I also recognize the improved Drew. In my opinion, his last three seasons have been his best.
Exactly. I think you and I are essentially saying the same thing, but maybe you're just put off by the phrase "very elite game manager."

All I mean by that is that as father time has caught up to him, he has evolved his game and the game plan has been tailored to him being more of an efficiency machine, and yes, as you point out, that has become a winning formula for us.

Not to knock too hard on Drew, but one of the small things that have irked me about him is that he never seemed to ever post up single digit INT years. Now granted, he's throwing the ball a lot more than virtually anyone, but you would consistently see guys like Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady taking care of the ball and having single digit INTs fairly consistently.

Well, sure enough, each of the past three seasons, Drew has joined the "annual single digit INT club," and we are not just winning consistently, but flat-out dominating; that 32 touchdown, 5 interception year in 2018 was flat-out phenomenal. And hey, maybe the double-digit INT years were not entirely his fault and point more to a schematic flaw or a necessity due to poor defenses; in the end though, this elite game manager version of Drew is a significant part of what has made us literally the league's most winningest team over the span of the past three years.
 

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I mean what is a 116 QB Rating the past 2 seasons running mean anyway?

59 TDs
9 Ints
74+ % completion rate

Blah blah blah......

Average at best. Can't wait to get rid of this guy.
 

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With the talented roster we have, we should be able to win the Super Bowl with the 16th best QB in the league. And given that Brees is clearly much better than that......
 

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Simms is just upset that this short un athletic QB with a weak arm is a future hall of famer and everything he yearned to be himself.
 

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Chris Simms' came to Texas as a blue chip recruit with a cannon arm and a ton of hype. Over the course of his Texas career, he was in a vicious battle for the QB1 spot with Major Applewhite. When Simms would start, the entire stadium wanted Major to play. The state of Texas was on the Applewhite train, and the only reason Simms' didn't permanently lose his job was because Mack Brown was buddies with Phil Simms and Chris was promised the starting gig during recruiting.

For the entire time they went back and forth as the starter. In the Big XII championship game vs. Colorado I believe in 1998, Simms played one of the worst halves of football I've ever seen. I think it seven turnovers he was responsible for. Four picks and a couple of fumbles. Finally got benched at halftime when Texas was down huge, and Applewhite almost led us back in the second half. Simms single-handedly cost us an appearance in the national championship game.

Applewhite left school a Texas legend. Simms left school mostly unappreciated.

Applewhite was an undersized QB who lacked big arm strength, but was smart, he made the correct read almost every time, he played within himself, and he had heart and football IQ.

That remind you of anyone? It's not surprising at all that a blue chip guy who had all of the tools but was a failure as a player would resent a QB who doesn't have the tools that Simms had, but that QB will go into the hall of fame on the first ballot while Simms is a footnote in the history of the game.

Forever **** Chris Simms.
 
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Chris Simms' came to Texas as a blue chip recruit with a cannon arm and a ton of hype. Over the course of his Texas career, he was in a vicious battle for the QB1 spot with Major Applewhite. When Simms would start, the entire stadium wanted Major to play. The state of Texas was on the Applewhite train, and the only reason Simms' didn't permanently lose his job was because Mack Brown was buddies with Phil Simms and Chris was promised the starting gig during recruiting.

For the entire time they went back and forth as the starter. In the Big XII championship game vs. Colorado I believe in 1998, Simms played one of the worst halves of football I've ever seen. I think it seven turnovers he was responsible for. Four picks and a couple of fumbles. Finally got benched at halftime when Texas was down huge, and Applewhite almost led us back in the second half. Simms single-handedly cost us an appearance in the national championship game.

Applewhite left school a Texas legend. Simms left school mostly unappreciated.

Applewhite was an undersized QB who lacked big arm strength, but was smart, he made the correct read almost every time, he played within himself, and he had heart and football IQ.

That remind you of anyone? It's not surprising at all that a blue chip guy who had all of the tools but was a failure as a player would resent a QB who doesn't have the tools that Simms had, but that QB will go into the hall of fame on the first ballot while Simms is a footnote in the history of the game.

Forever **** Chris Simms.
Just when you thought about forgiving Chris Simms for his awful UT QB play, he totally redeems himself and becomes a media moron that dislikes the Saints and allows you to, in my best McConaughey voice, Keep on' hatin' .
 

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I don't even care anymore about where they place Drew. His numbers are ridiculously good, to the point of being stupid, yet he continuously gets disrespected. Part of that is because he only has one Chip. And at this point, that's what I want for him; another chip and they can go Sit Correctly Rowing Endlessly Wonderfully themselves.
 

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I don't think Drew is what he used to be in terms of skill and arm strength, and his stats bear that as does watching old highlights from the 2009-2013 seasons. I like to refer to him these days as a very elite game manager that can show flashes of his former greatness every once in awhile; his game is more predicated on efficiency than ever before, and his TD to INT ratios as of late are representative of that.

However, with that being said, to rank him #16 is absolutely ludicrous. There is no way you can tell me that there are 15 better quarterbacks in the NFL than Drew Brees. No freaking way.
What do you mean by "skill" exactly?
 

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What do you mean by "skill" exactly?
People forget that Drew was DEALIN last year. I mean, he was KILLIN it. He can't throw the deep ball consistently, but I think it's a matter of timing. However, Drew was INCREDIBLY efffiient.

Having said all of that, just get another Chip, another Lombardi and let them rate him wherever they want.
 

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