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Man this reminds me of the movie pet sematary . The Brees lover’s keep burying him in the cemetery hoping to get the young Brees back and keep getting different bad versions of him. Yet they keep digging the grave every Monday after a game never to realize that every version can’t scramble, throw with velocity or distance with any consistency. Throws go high for an interception or at the feet of the receivers. The double pumps and check downs become the norm and we realize that he’s the greatest game manager because he’s managed to stay in the game this long. New coach or team would have benched him by now.
 

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Man this reminds me of the movie pet sematary . The Brees lover’s keep burying him in the cemetery hoping to get the young Brees back and keep getting different bad versions of him. Yet they keep digging the grave every Monday after a game never to realize that every version can’t scramble, throw with velocity or distance with any consistency. Throws go high for an interception or at the feet of the receivers. The double pumps and check downs become the norm and we realize that he’s the greatest game manager because he’s managed to stay in the game this long. New coach or team would have benched him by now.
Right, all the while leading an offense that is scoring more points than all but 4 other teams in the NFL. Meanwhile our defense is giving up more points than all but 6 other teams (and 2 of those are giving up .4 more). So yeah, I completely agree your post above....NOT....

If he regresses during the season in the spirit of what you wrote above I would have no problem with benching him, but I haven’t seen that type of regression you describe above....
 

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Right, all the while leading an offense that is scoring more points than all but 4 other teams in the NFL. Meanwhile our defense is giving up more points than all but 6 other teams (and 2 of those are giving up .4 more). So yeah, I completely agree your post above....NOT....

If he regresses during the season in the spirit of what you wrote above I would have no problem with benching him, but I haven’t seen that type of regression you describe above....
Keep holding onto your points narrative. When you look under the hood, this offense badly needs a tune-up. Defense is down across the league and points are up anyway, big deal.

There's no "if". Drew has regressed in key areas, areas that you will never see if all you look at is how many points we are scoring. Points that are mostly due to a Kamara that's playing out of his mind anyway.

You don't bench a Drew Brees just like they didn't bench a Payton Manning when it was clear he was falling down the cliff. If your argument is that if Drew Brees just had a historically great defense and an unbelievable running attack - he could still get it done. Well sure, granted. Is that even a remotely realistic expectation?
 

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Keep holding onto your points narrative. When you look under the hood, this offense badly needs a tune-up. Defense is down across the league and points are up anyway, big deal.

There's no "if". Drew has regressed in key areas, areas that you will never see if all you look at is how many points we are scoring. Points that are mostly due to a Kamara that's playing out of his mind anyway.

You don't bench a Drew Brees just like they didn't bench a Payton Manning when it was clear he was falling down the cliff. If your argument is that if Drew Brees just had a historically great defense and an unbelievable running attack - he could still get it done. Well sure, granted. Is that even a remotely realistic expectation?
Are you saying that Brees has regressed to the point that Peyton Manning has his last year? Because that is just patently untrue.

Can you provide a better, more important narrative than Points scored and points allowed.

Historically great defense? I would settle for just an average middle of the pack defense this year. If we had that we probably would be undefeated right now....
 

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This is GOLD coming from you
I gotta throw a flag on that one. Nope, you will not accuse me of that simply because I have the courage and honesty to speak on his decline. I do not believe our offense is sustainable by having to rely on long 10-15+ play drives based on screens/dumpoffs to Kamara and 5 yard curls. And yes, NOBODY has executed that offense better than Payton and Brees. But time and time again in the playoffs, it gets exposed and exploited. This just is no longer sustainable for post-season success.

This year I've watched the best seam thrower in all of football, Drew Brees, hesitate and check down where there are guys wide open in the seam. Over and over again. This isn't about the deep ball, it's that he's now lost the zip required for the intermediary out-routes and the tight-window throws.

I do not hate Drew Brees, I love him. And it's sad to see him like this, and it's sad knowing that we will not get it done again with him at QB. You think any of us actually likes that fact?
 

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I gotta throw a flag on that one. Nope, you will not accuse me of that simply because I have the courage and honesty to speak on his decline. I do not believe our offense is sustainable by having to rely on long 10-15+ play drives based on screens/dumpoffs to Kamara and 5 yard curls. And yes, NOBODY has executed that offense better than Payton and Brees. But time and time again in the playoffs, it gets exposed and exploited. This just is no longer sustainable for post-season success.

This year I've watched the best seam thrower in all of football, Drew Brees, hesitate and check down where there are guys wide open in the seam. Over and over again. This isn't about the deep ball, it's that he's now lost the zip required for the intermediary out-routes and the tight-window throws.

I do not hate Drew Brees, I love him. And it's sad to see him like this, and it's sad knowing that we will not get it done again with him at QB. You think any of us actually likes that fact?
Hey man, I don’t think you hate Brees. I just think that for whatever reason you are exaggerating his decline in play. And somehow conflating that the offense is more of a problem than the defense when most of the evidence shows otherwise...IMO
 

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I always thought that Drew was so good that when age finally caught up to him and he was only 80% of the QB he once was, he'd still be pretty good. And that's what we're seeing. Of course he isn't the QB he was 10 years ago but he's still getting the job done. It isn't as pretty as it used to be. It's not like watching poetry in motion anymore but if the end result is the same then does it really matter?

Drew hasn't played his best football yet we're still 3-2 and leading the division. The Saints can win a lot of game with this version of Drew but it's going to take a team effort. The defense and O line have to step up.
 

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Hey man, I don’t think you hate Brees. I just think that for whatever reason you are exaggerating his decline in play. And somehow conflating that the offense is more of a problem than the defense when most of the evidence shows otherwise...IMO
We've seen the decline for years now, unbiased sports analysts have written about it for years. But we're like the frog in the pot man. Turn the heat up slow enough, he doesn't know anything is wrong until he's boiling. His mechanics and accuracy in the short to medium passing game have been flawless (until the playoffs of late), so it looks like everything is fine.

But all old QB's have that last year where it all just comes apart, and that's where Drew is right now. Of course we're scoring points, just look at this roster and the offensive line we have. Look at Kamara who can do things nobody else can do with the ball.

The way you talk about the defense...I mean following your logic one could very well say EVERY LOSS EVER in the history of football is because the defense didn't do it's job. The other team scored more points, bad defense right? Sigh, ok. I don't know what I'm supposed to do with that.
 
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If you’re just a number reader ... then yeah it’s not to shabby for a 41 year old man.. but you really have to look deeper as someone said earlier and honestly evaluate what you’re seeing and how the wins and losses add up so far . This team needs more weeks to “gel” I would have to simply say.
 

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The defense and O line have to step up.
Our o-line is playing great, but it's like I keep trying to tell people here. Teams are selling out to pressure Brees because they know he cannot make them pay for it over the top anymore. Also he doesn't throw on the move anymore, so everyone knows if you can force him off his spot it's all the harder for him to get a pass off.

If you were scheming a defense against the Saints, be honest, what would scare you away from blitzing Brees right now knowing you can always keep the play in front of your backfield?
 

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We've seen the decline for years now, unbiased sports analysts have written about it for years. But we're like the frog in the pot man. Turn the heat up slow enough, he doesn't know anything is wrong until he's boiling. His mechanics and accuracy in the short to medium passing game have been flawless (until the playoffs of late), so it looks like everything is fine.

But all old QB's have that last year where it all just comes apart, and that's where Drew is right now. Of course we're scoring points, just look at this roster and the offensive line we have. Look at Kamara who can do things nobody else can do with the ball.

The way you talk about the defense...I mean following your logic one could very well say EVERY LOSS EVER in the history of football is because the defense didn't do it's job. The other team scored more points, bad defense right? Sigh, ok. I don't know what I'm supposed to do with that.
No, not every loss ever just most of our playoff losses...I don’t think anyone is mistaking Brees 2020 for Brees 2011 but I still think he has not declined to the level that you claim....so we can agree to disagree....and we have the rest of the season to find out.....
 

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