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Dang, you need to fire it.Yep darn thing sure did
ETA: My bad. Sorry, jasonw. That's so weird that's a word.
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Dang, you need to fire it.Yep darn thing sure did
Yep, it means 'entirely'.Spell check told you that "quitely" is a word?
That's a real word? Well, color me surprised. (I just ran it through my court reporting software and dang if it didn't confirm this!!) This has not been a good showing by me in this thread. I must issue a full and utter retraction for any slander. I'm really, really sorry.Yep, it means 'entirely'.
Ultimately what I want from you is like you admit were wrong about Brady
I never said that they prove everything. In fact, Iāve been quite clear about that. But you also canāt dismiss them out of hand (as you continue to do) just because they are inconvenient.
And then you once again go to cite your own numbers, as if team success tells the whole story of how an individual played. It doesnāt work that way.
We absolutely would have had more playoff success (and probably championships) even we didnāt have such terrible defenses for so many years. Our defenses were so bad for so long that we couldnāt even MAKE the playoffs, despite having one of the best qbās and offenses in the league.
It is crazy that you are so willing to look past that fact, as well as statistics (as an indicator of production and efficiency), in favor of your narrative.
You are all about team success (or failure) when it helps you, but then you just kinda brush aside the whole āteam partā.
The HMS Indefatigable was quite a ship in her day...That's a real word? Well, color me surprised. (I just ran it through my court reporting software and dang if it didn't confirm this!!) This has not been a good showing by me in this thread. I must issue a full and utter retraction for any slander. I'm really, really sorry.
Really, Giselle? I don't remember that boat. But the HMS Indomitable was quite illustrious.The HMS Indefatigable was quite a ship in her day...
I didnāt say that about the past 3 seasons. You know I didnāt say that.Too soon. We have to wait until the season is over. You just said anything can happen. Tampa Bay could implode, New England could get hot, etc etc. Six weeks does not a season make.
And what does
We have not had "terrible" defenses the past three previous seasons under any objective measure. However if you believe we have I'm willing to hear your case.
I didnāt say that about the past 3 seasons. You know I didnāt say that.
But they absolutely came up short in 2011 and 2017, when Brees pretty much had the game locked up with under a minute left.
And we HAVE had terrible defenses for most of Breesā tenure here, and it HAS affected us in the playoffs (way more than any of Breesā shortcomings).
Anything else about why Peyton Manning gets credited as an all-time great playoff performer, but Brees stinks and isnāt clutch? Nothing to do with the defensive side of the ball?
āFor some reasonā.Dude I just threw in Manning's name because others put him up there in the GOAT conversation and you're really like keying in that so hard for some reason.
āFor some reasonā.
Because it is a perfect example of how inconsistent you are with which qbās are good playoff performers or not, as well as exposes how you continue to overlook how other team factors affect playoff success (or failure).
The fact that you donāt have an answer speaks volumes. āI randomly threw Manning in there because he is a hall of famerā doesnāt hold water because Brees meets that criteria too. And as I pointed out, he is an objectively better playoff qb than Manning (but doesnāt get the same benefits of the doubt from you).
Manning has over twice the amount of turnovers as touchdowns (in both super bowl runs) and he is apparently an awesome playoff player who has all of the āstoriesā and āmomentsā, even though it was (despite him being a great player) objectively his defenses that dragged him to 2 titles. But Brees can throw 4 touchdowns and score go-ahead touchdowns TWICE in the final 4 minutes of the game, including with 1:48 left, but he āchokedā and ācanāt get it doneā. It is silly.
And it doesnāt matter what level āothersā put Manning at when it comes to the playoffs. YOU made the argument that heās up there with the best playoff qbās ever, and used him as evidence of a post-season performer that Brees hasnāt/canāt reach. Your words, your argument. And it exposed all of the flaws.
You donāt need to be coy or pretend to be surprised about why someone would point this out. āFor some reasonā, indeed.
Brady got the lead late in both Giant Superbowl losses, Defense obviously didn't hold it.And that's the whole crux of this so-called "discussion." Brady and Manning have never had to deal with crap defenses that choked away games AFTER Brees got them into the lead.
Brady got the lead late in both Giant Superbowl losses, Defense obviously didn't hold it.
Thatās not really an accurate summary at all.Brady got the lead late in both Giant Superbowl losses, Defense obviously didn't hold it.
Oh man okay you clearly are just looking to pounce on stuff. Like it or not many many people who do football for a living has Manning on their short list for best quarterbacks and I can't just deny that or pretend it's not true.āFor some reasonā.
Because it is a perfect example of how inconsistent you are with which qbās are good playoff performers or not, as well as exposes how you continue to overlook how other team factors affect playoff success (or failure).
The fact that you donāt have an answer speaks volumes. āI randomly threw Manning in there because he is a hall of famerā doesnāt hold water because Brees meets that criteria too. And as I pointed out, he is an objectively better playoff qb than Manning (but doesnāt get the same benefits of the doubt from you).
Manning has over twice the amount of turnovers as touchdowns (in both super bowl runs) and he is apparently an awesome playoff player who has all of the āstoriesā and āmomentsā, even though it was (despite him being a great player) objectively his defenses that dragged him to 2 titles. But Brees can throw 4 touchdowns and score go-ahead touchdowns TWICE in the final 4 minutes of the game, including with 1:48 left, but he āchokedā and ācanāt get it doneā. It is silly.
And it doesnāt matter what level āothersā put Manning at when it comes to the playoffs. YOU made the argument that heās up there with the best playoff qbās ever, and used him as evidence of a post-season performer that Brees hasnāt/canāt reach. Your words, your argument. And it exposed all of the flaws.
You donāt need to be coy or pretend to be surprised about why someone would point this out. āFor some reasonā, indeed.
He never got us a big lead the past 3 years. If he had we would have been in the Super Bowl. I've already shown that he was straight garbage in the first half of all three of those games. Don't tell me he got us some "lead" that the defense gave up. Don't tell me the defense threw that horrid pick in overtime.And that's the whole crux of this so-called "discussion." Brady and Manning have never had to deal with crap defenses that choked away games AFTER Brees got them into the lead.