Brees vs Rodgers vs Brady (yes, it's one of those threads) (1 Viewer)

[Swimmer]

Since 2008 (Rodgers first season as a starter)

Brees:
142 games
44,922 yards
331 touchdowns
68.2 completion percentage

Rodgers:
135 games
36,498 yards
296 touchdowns
65.3 completion percentage

Brady:
125 games
35,212 yards
259 touchdowns
64.5 completion percentage


Brees has an advantage because of games played, so let's dig a little deeper


Brees:
316 yards per game
2.33 touchdown passes per game

Rodgers:
270 yards per game
2.19 touchdown passes per game

Brady:
282 yards per game
2.07 TD's per game


So to recap

Brees has put up better total numbers and has a better statistical per game average than both Rodgers and Brady over the last 8 seasons.

Yet, Brees has 0 league MVP awards, Rodgers and Brady both have 2. Why? It's gotta be the interceptions

Brees:
138 interceptions
.97 interceptions per game

Rodgers:
72 interceptions
.53 interceptions per game

Brady:
66 interceptions
.53 interceptions per game


Is that really it? The interception thing? I know turnovers are a big deal but it's 138 interceptions in 142 games played. That means on average, Brees doesn't even throw an interception during any given game!

This is not sunshine pumping through Black & Gold lenses, these are just the facts.

Brees is one of the best to ever play the game. IMO, he is THE best. Football is not golf, it's not tennis. It's a team sport that requires a team effort. All I know is what I see with my eyes, and what I've seen since 2006 is the best QB play in professional football for the New Orleans Saints.


Note: this post was inspired by the GOAT QB talk from sports media, currently featuring Rodgers and Brady

Really good post - thx.

But trying to compare QBs by stats can be tough. The Brees with the NO Saints teams of 2009 -2011 was as good a QB as existed in the league and for that matter, of all-time.

Today, there is no comparison between the Brees or Brady and Rodgers. Today, Rodgers is simply the best QB in the game - period. It's not just his stats. It's not just the team he plays for. It's the way he just uses his feet, mind and arm to win ridiculous games over and over that no other QB in the league can do at this time. His leadership of that team is a thing of beauty to watch. Whether he beats the birds or not, he is the MVP this year.

 

[sammymvpknight]

They're all great. This is the "passing era"...but compared to their peers there really is no comparison. This is like a Ferreri vs Lamborghini vs Bugatti debate.

 

[Swimmer]

They're all great. This is the "passing era"...but compared to their peers there really is no comparison. This is like a Ferreri vs Lamborghini vs Bugatti debate.

Perfect!

 

[Surviving Saint]

How many elite QBs/offenses since the beginning have suffered so much losing? Not many atall...Right there is the anomaly. Seems these other teams through the years had defense come as a secondary option whereas the Saints need the steel curtain to match with their prolific offense.

Brady, Rodgers and Big Ben have never had losing seasons. Brees has 4 in the last 5 years. That tells you all you need to know about this team.

 

[GW93]

I agree, it's wins. The MVP is ultimately a subjective vote. Drew should have won in 2009, but the Colts had 1 more win and voters worship Peyton Manning. He could have also made an argument for 2011 but the Packers went 15-1 and Rodgers was probably better in a couple of categories, I don't remember.

The Packers and Patriots consistently win their divisions and make the playoffs, which is better representative of AR and TB's accomplishments. We have not been consistent in several years and lose despite Drew's accomplishments, so that overshadows how great he is. It's sad.

In 2011, Rodgers was only better than Brees in passing efficiency (owing to fewer INTs, and it wasn't by much) and rushing TDs (3 to Brees' 1). Whereas Brees broke a long-standing record for yards in a season, broke his OWN record for completion %, and threw more TD passes for a higher-scoring offense.

But every stupid-*** sportswriter (esp. Peter King) were all, "oh, but the Packers beat the Saints in Week 1 so OBVIOUSLY Rodgers deserves MVP because of how he torched Brees who had lined up as a defensive back in that game for some reason."

 

[Complex Kid]

How many elite QBs/offenses since the beginning have suffered so much losing? Not many atall...Right there is the anomaly. Seems these other teams through the years had defense come as a secondary option whereas the Saints need the steel curtain to match with their prolific offense.

Defensive Ranks for points allowed.

Rodgers:22,7,2,19,11,24,13,12,21 Top 20 defense: 6 out of 9 seasons.

Brady: 6,17,1,2,17,2,4,5,8,15,9,10,8,10,1 Top 20 defense: 15 out of 15 seasons.

Big Ben: 1,3,11,2,1,12,1,1,1,6,14,18,11,10 Top 20 defense: 13 out of 13
seasons.

Brees: 13,25,26,20,7,13,31,4,28,32,31 Top 20 defense: 5 out of 11 seasons.

When he's had a top 20 defense or better Brees win totals:

10,13,11,13,11. Weird.

 

[Innotech]

These things tend to happen when:
A. You have to drive 90+ yards every drive.
B. You don't trust your defense, even when they are playing well.

EXACTLY. how many times are we starting behind the 20? A LOT.
the more you are on the field, the more chance you have to get picked off. Brady isnt doing more to score points, hes getting better field position and has a complimentary team that can score aside from him.
Brees has a lot of games where if hes not playing well we dont score at all.

The biggest example is last night. Brady played like absolute garbage and they still won by 18 points!

 

[Suavecito8]

Defensive Ranks for points allowed.

Rodgers:22,7,2,19,11,24,13,12,21 Top 20 defense: 6 out of 9 seasons.

Brady: 6,17,1,2,17,2,4,5,8,15,9,10,8,10,1 Top 20 defense: 15 out of 15 seasons.

Big Ben: 1,3,11,2,1,12,1,1,1,6,14,18,11,10 Top 20 defense: 13 out of 13
seasons.

Brees: 13,25,26,20,7,13,31,4,28,32,31 Top 20 defense: 5 out of 11 seasons.

When he's had a top 20 defense or better Brees win totals:

10,13,11,13,11. Weird.

 

[HobBeh]

In 2011, Rodgers was only better than Brees in passing efficiency (owing to fewer INTs, and it wasn't by much) and rushing TDs (3 to Brees' 1). Whereas Brees broke a long-standing record for yards in a season, broke his OWN record for completion %, and threw more TD passes for a higher-scoring offense.

But every stupid-*** sportswriter (esp. Peter King) were all, "oh, but the Packers beat the Saints in Week 1 so OBVIOUSLY Rodgers deserves MVP because of how he torched Brees who had lined up as a defensive back in that game for some reason."

He ONLY set the record for pass rating which still stands and sat a game because the Pack had clinched, which means he could easily have also finished with more passing TDs. But oh yeah, he hurts his team because he won't throw picks.

 

[SWAMP_THING]

Defensive Ranks for points allowed.

Rodgers:22,7,2,19,11,24,13,12,21 Top 20 defense: 6 out of 9 seasons.

Brady: 6,17,1,2,17,2,4,5,8,15,9,10,8,10,1 Top 20 defense: 15 out of 15 seasons.

Big Ben: 1,3,11,2,1,12,1,1,1,6,14,18,11,10 Top 20 defense: 13 out of 13
seasons.

Brees: 13,25,26,20,7,13,31,4,28,32,31 Top 20 defense: 5 out of 11 seasons.

When he's had a top 20 defense or better Brees win totals:

10,13,11,13,11. Weird.

It's still as rare as you can find in league history to not even pull together an average defense in all these years to pair with a prolific offense..It's fishy as hell when you're an anomaly...but so was bountygate and the punishment handed down

 

[SWAMP_THING]

Who's call was it to place the perennially worst statistical defense with the perennially best statistical offense of all time? That didn't just happen by chance, too weird as they say

 

[ZXCV]

Makes me hate that cryin' ryan is the unanimous MVP this year and is pretty much a lock to win, when Brees has had better years than his, not to mention his year this year even is probably equally as impressive. the Saints just don't have the wins to get Brees his deserved trophy.

who would have thought QBs in half of the NFC South would hold MVP trophies (in back to back years no less) and neither of them is Brees.

sad really

 

[SWAMP_THING]

Makes me hate that cryin' ryan is the unanimous MVP this year and is pretty much a lock to win, when Brees has had better years than his, not to mention his year this year even is probably equally as impressive. the Saints just don't have the wins to get Brees his deserved trophy.

who would have thought QBs in half of the NFC South would hold MVP trophies (in back to back years no less) and neither of them is Brees.

sad really

This is flat out a raw deal for the best player to ever suit up for the Saints and arguably one of best of all time...how does this look for future prospects that think of playing for the Saints, so few accolades...less accolades/awards=less $$$/fame/notoriety

To a thinking man/player, I'm going to the other team because Saints players are short on recognition/respect/marketability...maybe that's exactly their intent

 

[Saintshizzle]

Who's call was it to place the perennially worst statistical defense with the perennially best statistical offense of all time? That didn't just happen by chance, too weird as they say

It happens, and a fairly common thing, just in reverse. Great defense, and mediocre offense with a pedestrian QB. It's a sin that we are going to take Brees all the way to his end, with no real defensive firepower to couple him with. What's even worse, like throwing a rock at the church worse, is that we already have the offense in place with Pete remaining here for Brees. Heck, we could bring Romeo Crennel, Jeff Fisher, seriously, don't have to be the best HC newcomers prospects...just someone who knows defense or any previous head coach, DC that knows defense, and we will be right back in the mix.

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

Slightly off-topic. I saw the highlights from the Packer-Cowboy game and I am amazed at the last pass from Rodgers. Rolling left and looked like he was just flipping it out of bounds to avoid a sack and loss.

Also amazed that they still tried to go for it on third and 20. Most teams would have not risked an interception and just run out the clock for OT.