bsumone93's *FINAL* Saints Mock Draft (w/ trades) and UDFA (1 Viewer)

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Draft Trades:
1]Trade this year's 1st and 3.24, and next year's 2nd, 4th, and 6th to move up to the 13th spot and acquire a 6th in this year's draft and a 5th in next year's draft.

2]Trade this year's 2nd to pick up a 3rd, a 5th, and a 6th in this year's draft.

Draft:
Round 1.13 - Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
- It may have cost A LOT to move up 11 spots, but it was worth it because the Saints now have a legitimate #1 receiving threat that we've all been wishing for since Payton and Brees got here. I know most of you will say that getting another receiver this early in the draft is stupid, but remember, "If you're not getting better, you're getting worse." Julio will take this offense to new heights the likes of which we've never seen before. Right now, the Saints only have specialized receivers (Colston-possession, Henderson-vertical, Meachem-vertical, Moore-slot and Arrington-possession). However, Julio can do it all -- go deep, go over the middle, take a short route to the house, be a possession receiver, and cause mismatches in the slot. Who wouldn't want a Terrell Owens talent on this offense?

Round 3.8 - Sam Acho, DE/OLB, Texas
- He's a classic Gregg Williams' type tweener. Acho needs coaching on leverage skill technique; however, he has good burst getting up the field which is what we need at the outside linebacker position. As fans, we would not have to worry about run support or tackling issues from him because he does it very well (oh, only if we had him during the Seattle game). Like Shanle, he is a very smart and instinctive player, but unlike Shanle, he actually has the athleticism to make the plays. During the Senior Bowl practices, he held up well in the coverage drills. I think he would be a fantastic pickup in the third round, and he could be an impact player after gaining some experience. Just think about it -- Vilma, Casillas, and Acho. Sounds nice, doesn't it?

Round 3 - Kenrick Ellis, DT, Hampton
- He has some red flags (dismissal from South Carolina and a one game suspension in 2010), but with Brees', Vilma's, Payton's, and Williams' leadership, it shouldn't be a problem to keep him under control; the same thing was said about Shockey when he first came, but he turned out okay. He has the talent to play (he did get a full ride to South Carolina). Ellis reminds me so much of a young Shaun Rogers talent-wise, and it's a great thing Shaun Rogers is with us because Kenrick can sit and learn behind him for a year or two (pending we re-sign Rogers after this year). Minnesota may have had the Williams Wall, but Ellis Island (As in, there will be no entry into our territory; none may pass through the line of scrimmage. Okay, the reference makes sense in my head.) in the "Big Easy" will be even better.

Round 5 - Charles Clay, FB, Tulsa
- Like Julio, Charles Clay would add a new wrinkle in Payton's playbook. Payton could line him up at fullback, at tight end, at tailback, or even use him as an H-back. He would flourish as a blocker in the Saints' scheme, and Clay would provide an even more unfair advantage in the passing game because he can get big yards on a pass out of the backfield.

Round 5 - Jeron Johnson, SS, Boise State
- Johnson is a bit undersized, but you never measure a man by his size, only by his heart (yeah, yeah, that's what she said). He has good instincts in all aspects of his game, and Jeron will actually provide the ability to cover someone so that we don't have to rely on Harper anymore if Malcolm Jenkins gets hurt. This pick is for depth, but he could start later on down the road if something happens to Harper injury-wise or negotiation-wise.

Round 6 - Schuylar Oordt, TE, Northern Iowa
- Bang, bang! The Saints find their small school gem. This guy is another Jimmy Graham -- can come in right away and excel in the passing game, but needs refinement on his blocking. It's all good though because he can sit behind David Thomas as the #3 tight end until he gets the blocking down. But just imagine in 2-3 years, Jimmy Graham and Schuylar Oordt on the field at the same time with Julio Jones, Marques Colston, and Reggie Bush/Charles Clay. Tell me that would not be one hell of a mismatch, size and talent-wise, for the defense.

Round 6 - DeMarcus van Dyke, CB/KR/PR, Miami
- Van Dyke has good upside, and if the Saints release Randall Gay, they will need a #4 corner back. DeMarcus van Dyke has some wheels, but he is still a little raw in his technique. He has all the talent in the world to become a premier returner in the NFL. His drafting would allow the Saints to cut ties with Courtney Roby which would open a roster spot (don't get me wrong, I love Roby, but sometimes you have to do what's in the best interest of the team). Will he be this year's Sam Shield? Who knows, but the potential is definitely there.

Round 7 - Ryan Winterswyk, DE, Boise State
- Winterswyk is not the biggest, fastest, or quickest defensive end to ever step on a football field, but he has a high motor that just won't stop. With a little coaching, he could become a low-round guy that leaves a big impact on the NFL. He is effective at rushing the passer, and he fairs well against the run. He isn't spectacular at anything, but he's solid at everything.

UDFA:
*I'm not saying all of them would make the team, only that these players have a shot*

John Clay, RB, Wisconsin
- Clay is a big bruiser. He may not have world-class speed but neither did Emmitt Smith or Jerry Rice. He would be a solid option for short-yardage situations, and he could break a long run every once in a blue moon. The guy is hard to bring down, and he is durable which is what our running back corps needs the most. He could very well be this year's LeGarrette Blount.

Armon Binns, WR, Cincinnati
- Binns is a solid wide receiver. Don't ask me why, but I've always though that he has a higher potential than Mardy Gilyard did at the time when he left Cincinnati. He could emerge one day and become a top 15-20 receiver in the NFL. I think that this guy will be the sleeper in this year's draft. And if he turns out the way I hope he will, will this upcoming season be either Robert Meachem's or Adrian Arrington's swan song in New Orleans?

Carl Johnson, OG, Florida
- He is purely for depth. He has slow feet, but he has enough balance to stay in front of his man. Carl Johnson also possesses a lot of power. In the right system, he could be a solid guard.

David Mims, OT, Virginia Union
- The Saints would condition Mims for 2-4 years until he is ready to take over for Stinchcomb. I will admit that I don't know a whole lot about the guy, but from what I've read on these boards, he is a promising prospect, and with the way this coaching staff develops talent, maybe he could become one of the NFL's best right tackles in about 4-5 years.

Kenny Rowe, OLB, Oregon
-He needs to learn how to tackle better and how to shed blocks, but when he's on his game, Kenny Rowe can completely take a game over. Once he becomes more consistent, he will be a forced to be reckoned with.

Tejay Johnson, FS/SS, Texas Christian
- This guy is what Osama Young should have been. He is good in coverage which will allow Harper to never cover anyone again in his life; his run support is also solid. Tejay Johnson would provide excellent depth for many years to come.
 
Oddly enough, I like this draft. Not usually a fan of trading up, but I think I'd be good with this draft.
 
Draft Trades:
1]Trade this year's 1st and 3.24, and next year's 2nd, 4th, and 6th to move up to the 13th spot and acquire a 6th in this year's draft and a 5th in next year's draft.

2]Trade this year's 2nd to pick up a 3rd, a 5th, and a 6th in this year's draft.

Draft:
Round 1.13 - Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
- It may have cost A LOT to move up 11 spots, but it was worth it because the Saints now have a legitimate #1 receiving threat that we've all been wishing for since Payton and Brees got here. I know most of you will say that getting another receiver this early in the draft is stupid, but remember, "If you're not getting better, you're getting worse." Julio will take this offense to new heights the likes of which we've never seen before. Right now, the Saints only have specialized receivers (Colston-possession, Henderson-vertical, Meachem-vertical, Moore-slot and Arrington-possession). However, Julio can do it all -- go deep, go over the middle, take a short route to the house, be a possession receiver, and cause mismatches in the slot. Who wouldn't want a Terrell Owens talent on this offense?

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denarius moore, 4th round.

can do the same thing for cheaper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AinMXfB3fyM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZnBgcZP5Bc

I can understand taking him if he fell but that is a lot to trade up for a receiver.
 
Draft Trades:
1]Trade this year's 1st and 3.24, and next year's 2nd, 4th, and 6th to move up to the 13th spot and acquire a 6th in this year's draft and a 5th in next year's draft.

2]Trade this year's 2nd to pick up a 3rd, a 5th, and a 6th in this year's draft.

Or, let's just keep it simple and draft the best Defensive Front 7 player available at 1.24.

Julio is a very nice receiver, but let's not anoint him as the next Terrell Owens.
 
And why do we need a receiver again? It looks like you are playing Madden with all that trading for draft picks.
 
And why do we need a receiver again? It looks like you are playing Madden with all that trading for draft picks.

I'll trade you your next post and thread start for a 1st page post, a 3rd page post and 2 poll votes.
 
Well besides from the fact that we would be losing value on all those trades.
It isn't bad.
 
Simply put I like the prospects, don't like the trades.

Honestly, after his combine I'd be surprised if Jones is there at 13. Other than absolutely stealing every pick we have next year and this year why would the Lions want to trade down and not just stay put and select the best tackle in the draft class to protect Stafford's blind side? Even if Jones is there and the Lions do want to trade down that is a ton of stuff to give up for one prospect. I don't like to invest that much into one guy.

I like David Mims a lot but I doubt he goes undrafted. Before his pro day it'll probably take a 5th round pick to get him. If he shows up at his pro day like I expect him to I wouldn't be surprised to see him in late 3rd-early 4th round conversation.
 
"If you're not getting better, you're getting worse."
-Bill Parcells



But that's how you manipulate the draft in order to get the players you want.

He was talking about a team not a position. Ignoring needs to draft strengths does not make your team better, and therefore, makes them worse. Bad draft
 
Without a new CBA in place, no team will be allowed to sign UDFA's... We may sign some after a new deal is in place, but they will be even bigger long-shots at that point than they would be with being able to go to the OTA's and mini-camps...
 
Why is he projected as a 4th rounder if he can do the same thing?
less hype?:shrug:

There's also the matter of height. Moore is only 6'0 and is 20lbs lighter than julio but that hasn't stopped guys like desean jackson, donald driver or steve smith.

Compare some of the highlights like their 2 200 yard games last year and their TD totals and you'll come away impressed. Denarius moore is a very explosive player with good hands and runs good routes with #1 receiver potential. He also averaged 20 yards per catch in 2010.
 
Draft Trades:
1]Trade this year's 1st and 3.24, and next year's 2nd, 4th, and 6th to move up to the 13th spot and acquire a 6th in this year's draft and a 5th in next year's draft.

2]Trade this year's 2nd to pick up a 3rd, a 5th, and a 6th in this year's draft.

Draft:
Round 1.13 - Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
- It may have cost A LOT to move up 11 spots, but it was worth it because the Saints now have a legitimate #1 receiving threat that we've all been wishing for since Payton and Brees got here. I know most of you will say that getting another receiver this early in the draft is stupid, but remember, "If you're not getting better, you're getting worse." Julio will take this offense to new heights the likes of which we've never seen before. Right now, the Saints only have specialized receivers (Colston-possession, Henderson-vertical, Meachem-vertical, Moore-slot and Arrington-possession). However, Julio can do it all -- go deep, go over the middle, take a short route to the house, be a possession receiver, and cause mismatches in the slot. Who wouldn't want a Terrell Owens talent on this offense?

Round 3.8 - Sam Acho, DE/OLB, Texas
- He's a classic Gregg Williams' type tweener. Acho needs coaching on leverage skill technique; however, he has good burst getting up the field which is what we need at the outside linebacker position. As fans, we would not have to worry about run support or tackling issues from him because he does it very well (oh, only if we had him during the Seattle game). Like Shanle, he is a very smart and instinctive player, but unlike Shanle, he actually has the athleticism to make the plays. During the Senior Bowl practices, he held up well in the coverage drills. I think he would be a fantastic pickup in the third round, and he could be an impact player after gaining some experience. Just think about it -- Vilma, Casillas, and Acho. Sounds nice, doesn't it?

Round 3 - Kenrick Ellis, DT, Hampton
- He has some red flags (dismissal from South Carolina and a one game suspension in 2010), but with Brees', Vilma's, Payton's, and Williams' leadership, it shouldn't be a problem to keep him under control; the same thing was said about Shockey when he first came, but he turned out okay. He has the talent to play (he did get a full ride to South Carolina). Ellis reminds me so much of a young Shaun Rogers talent-wise, and it's a great thing Shaun Rogers is with us because Kenrick can sit and learn behind him for a year or two (pending we re-sign Rogers after this year). Minnesota may have had the Williams Wall, but Ellis Island (As in, there will be no entry into our territory; none may pass through the line of scrimmage. Okay, the reference makes sense in my head.) in the "Big Easy" will be even better.

Round 5 - Charles Clay, FB, Tulsa
- Like Julio, Charles Clay would add a new wrinkle in Payton's playbook. Payton could line him up at fullback, at tight end, at tailback, or even use him as an H-back. He would flourish as a blocker in the Saints' scheme, and Clay would provide an even more unfair advantage in the passing game because he can get big yards on a pass out of the backfield.

Round 5 - Jeron Johnson, SS, Boise State
- Johnson is a bit undersized, but you never measure a man by his size, only by his heart (yeah, yeah, that's what she said). He has good instincts in all aspects of his game, and Jeron will actually provide the ability to cover someone so that we don't have to rely on Harper anymore if Malcolm Jenkins gets hurt. This pick is for depth, but he could start later on down the road if something happens to Harper injury-wise or negotiation-wise.

Round 6 - Schuylar Oordt, TE, Northern Iowa
- Bang, bang! The Saints find their small school gem. This guy is another Jimmy Graham -- can come in right away and excel in the passing game, but needs refinement on his blocking. It's all good though because he can sit behind David Thomas as the #3 tight end until he gets the blocking down. But just imagine in 2-3 years, Jimmy Graham and Schuylar Oordt on the field at the same time with Julio Jones, Marques Colston, and Reggie Bush/Charles Clay. Tell me that would not be one hell of a mismatch, size and talent-wise, for the defense.

Round 6 - DeMarcus van Dyke, CB/KR/PR, Miami
- Van Dyke has good upside, and if the Saints release Randall Gay, they will need a #4 corner back. DeMarcus van Dyke has some wheels, but he is still a little raw in his technique. He has all the talent in the world to become a premier returner in the NFL. His drafting would allow the Saints to cut ties with Courtney Roby which would open a roster spot (don't get me wrong, I love Roby, but sometimes you have to do what's in the best interest of the team). Will he be this year's Sam Shield? Who knows, but the potential is definitely there.

Round 7 - Ryan Winterswyk, DE, Boise State
- Winterswyk is not the biggest, fastest, or quickest defensive end to ever step on a football field, but he has a high motor that just won't stop. With a little coaching, he could become a low-round guy that leaves a big impact on the NFL. He is effective at rushing the passer, and he fairs well against the run. He isn't spectacular at anything, but he's solid at everything.

UDFA:
*I'm not saying all of them would make the team, only that these players have a shot*

John Clay, RB, Wisconsin
- Clay is a big bruiser. He may not have world-class speed but neither did Emmitt Smith or Jerry Rice. He would be a solid option for short-yardage situations, and he could break a long run every once in a blue moon. The guy is hard to bring down, and he is durable which is what our running back corps needs the most. He could very well be this year's LeGarrette Blount.

Armon Binns, WR, Cincinnati
- Binns is a solid wide receiver. Don't ask me why, but I've always though that he has a higher potential than Mardy Gilyard did at the time when he left Cincinnati. He could emerge one day and become a top 15-20 receiver in the NFL. I think that this guy will be the sleeper in this year's draft. And if he turns out the way I hope he will, will this upcoming season be either Robert Meachem's or Adrian Arrington's swan song in New Orleans?

Carl Johnson, OG, Florida
- He is purely for depth. He has slow feet, but he has enough balance to stay in front of his man. Carl Johnson also possesses a lot of power. In the right system, he could be a solid guard.

David Mims, OT, Virginia Union
- The Saints would condition Mims for 2-4 years until he is ready to take over for Stinchcomb. I will admit that I don't know a whole lot about the guy, but from what I've read on these boards, he is a promising prospect, and with the way this coaching staff develops talent, maybe he could become one of the NFL's best right tackles in about 4-5 years.

Kenny Rowe, OLB, Oregon
-He needs to learn how to tackle better and how to shed blocks, but when he's on his game, Kenny Rowe can completely take a game over. Once he becomes more consistent, he will be a forced to be reckoned with.

Tejay Johnson, FS/SS, Texas Christian
- This guy is what Osama Young should have been. He is good in coverage which will allow Harper to never cover anyone again in his life; his run support is also solid. Tejay Johnson would provide excellent depth for many years to come.

Sorry bro.... I'd be super excited about Jones but that's way to much to give up for a guy who will be a piece of our offense.... Drew is the only guy that carries the load.... Having a big time RB or big time WR is a waste in this offense....
 

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