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I’m reading the Bill Barnwell article on ESPN regarding things NFC teams should do this offseason. I came across an insight into the craziness and confusion of the Comp pick formula. Can anyone shed light?

Fort holds an even more interesting spot in the compensatory universe for his old team. As expected, the Steelers netted a third-round compensatory pick for Le'Veon Bell when their star back signed with the Jets. In a rare foray into unrestricted free agency, though, Pittsburgh signed Chiefs cornerback Steven Nelson and Jags wideout Donte Moncrief to deals. At the moment, the Steelers are still in line to net that third-rounder for Bell, but if the Eagles cut Fort, Pittsburgh would lose a third-rounder and the only compensation it has to show for Bell.
I don’t understand this paragraph at all. What does the Eagles cutting a former Pitt player have to do with Pitts Compensatory pick?
 

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Because it's the overall worth of the player(s) lost, not just their initial contract value. If Fort doesn't live up to his contract, his compensatory value reduces.
 

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I’m reading the Bill Barnwell article on ESPN regarding things NFC teams should do this offseason. I came across an insight into the craziness and confusion of the Comp pick formula. Can anyone shed light?



I don’t understand this paragraph at all. What does the Eagles cutting a former Pitt player have to do with Pitts Compensatory pick?
This website has the formula down to a perfect science...

 

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But the 3rd round pick they get is for Bell leaving, not Fort.
The simple explanation is Pittsburgh lost three UFAs and gained two UFAs, leaving them with one compensatory pick, potentially gaining a 3rd rounder for losing Bell provided that both Fort and James don't get cut from their new teams prior to the 10th (could be the 8th?) game of the season.

If either one gets cut before the deadline, then Pittsburgh loses the comp pick because the two players they lost were cancelled by the two players they gained.
 

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I’m reading the Bill Barnwell article on ESPN regarding things NFC teams should do this offseason. I came across an insight into the craziness and confusion of the Comp pick formula. Can anyone shed light?



I don’t understand this paragraph at all. What does the Eagles cutting a former Pitt player have to do with Pitts Compensatory pick?
That formula is nothing but an outdated algorithm, that is total bull crap.

It's a contradiction, and just doesnt nake much sense at all.

If I'm being honest, its seems a little crooked to me.

High market teams seem to get those compensatory picks a lot easier then small market teams.
 

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That formula is nothing but an outdated algorithm, that is total bull crap.

It's a contradiction, and just doesnt nake much sense at all.

If I'm being honest, its seems a little crooked to me.

High market teams seem to get those compensatory picks a lot easier then small market teams.
There's absolutely nothing crooked about it. Some teams just choose to play the game while others don't. There are teams that make, or don't make every decision based on how it effects the comp pick formula. Clearly, the Saints aren't one of those teams.

It has nothing to do with big market vs. small market; it has to do with organizational philosophy. Some teams go out of their way to only acquire players that were cut and/or trade for players rather than signing traditional UFAs and essentially giving away draft picks.
 

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There's absolutely nothing crooked about it. Some teams just choose to play the game while others don't. There are teams that make, or don't make every decision based on how it effects the comp pick formula. Clearly, the Saints aren't one of those teams.

It has nothing to do with big market vs. small market; it has to do with organizational philosophy. Some teams go out of their way to only acquire players that were cut and/or trade for players rather than signing traditional UFAs and essentially giving away draft picks.
I know the formula, its and outdated one that doesnt understand true value IMO.

I know certain teams build part of there philosophy around that. I'm not talking about the Patriots of the world.

Theres only a certain amount of compensatory picks the league can give out every year. I'm just saying that there are certain teams that are stiffed more often then others.

If you wanna believe everything is smiley faces and Rose's with the power in the NFL. That's fine l, that's your opinion.

I'm just stating mine. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong.

This is a forum were fans can state their opinion.
 

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I know the formula, its and outdated one that doesnt understand true value IMO.

I know certain teams build part of there philosophy around that. I'm not talking about the Patriots of the world.

Theres only a certain amount of compensatory picks the league can give out every year. I'm just saying that there are certain teams that are stiffed more often then others.

If you wanna believe everything is smiley faces and Rose's with the power in the NFL. That's fine l, that's your opinion.

I'm just stating mine. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong.

This is a forum were fans can state their opinion.
I agree, this is a forum in which fans can state their opinion. In this case though, you're disputing factual information. No one is getting stiffed here. There is a scientific formula in place in which your favorite team gets left out each year because they don't care about it, but instead of accepting that, you're trying to persuade yourself of some silly league wide conspiracy to only allow certain teams to get comp picks.

For what you're suggesting to be true, you'd also have to believe that the Saints are intentionally signing UFAs every year so that they don't get comp picks only because that's what the league wants them to do.
 

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One of the factors that nobody has mentioned in this thread is certain teams would rather sign UFAs with several years of experience in the league than having their coaching staffs developing rookies and UDFAs. Those teams typically don't qualify for any compensatory picks.
 
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There is a scientific formula in place...
As long as the formula relies on inherently subjective value judgements about the value of players lost and players gained, then it's not really scientific. There is no objective way to measure the diversity of contracts and performances of players against each other. That is an inherently subjective process which is why teams value contracts, players and performances differently. Even if the NFL is consistently applying the same subjective standards in their compensatory pick formula, it is still an inherently subjective formula which by definition means it is not truly scientific.
 

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As long as the formula relies on inherently subjective value judgements about the value of players lost and players gained, then it's not really scientific. There is no objective way to measure the diversity of contracts and performances of players against each other. That is an inherently subjective process which is why teams value contracts, players and performances differently. Even if the NFL is consistently applying the same subjective standards in their compensatory pick formula, it is still an inherently subjective formula which by definition means it is not truly scientific.
It isn't subjective in the least. It goes by contract value (APY).
 

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I think any playoff team shouldn't get any comp picks period. Shouldn't this be about balance around the league?
You do realize that there is significant movement year to year in which teams make the playoffs... except NE.

So under your proposal, if your team makes the playoffs they lose any, and all, potential comp picks in the following year's draft.

I don't like it.
 
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Using the formula is brilliant. If you play the game right, you can trade a guy for a 3rd rd pick without finding a trade partner. It’s a brilliant strategy and I’m not sure why the Saints don’t play it.
 

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