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This post isn't a reflection of my feelings on yesterday's performance. I feel like the defense did enough to keep the game competitive had the offense gotten in any sort of rhythm.
This is about Coach Payton and his legacy as our coach and how he's seemingly squandered numerous seasons with a HOF QB on underwhelming and sometimes downright putrid defenses.
Gregg Williams is a dirty word around here and for good reason. His mishandling of his portion of the NFL investigation into so-called "bounties" helped set us back into the pit we find ourselves in now. But he was a pretty good coordinator on some pretty great Saints teams.
Gary Gibbs was a fair, yet underwhelming defensive coordinator from 06'-08'. He was jettisoned after 08' and Gregg Williams was brought in to give our defense a boost -- an edge -- an identity. A force of personality like Payton coexisting with a similar Williams seemed like a tall order. Payton established himself as Alpha Dog and gave Williams enough slack to do his thing. Some would argue it was too much slack given to a man with a tendency to push boundaries.
The pairing got off to a fast start as Payton's offense had spirited battles with William's defenses in camp and practices and in the end, they achieved unprecedented success as a team during Williams' tumultuous tenure.
<b>41-13 </b>
That's the Saints record (including postseason) from 2009-11. That included two division titles and a World Title.
<b>57-55</b>
That's Payton's record in the other seasons, (06'-08' and 2013-present) when you include the post season.
We experienced a nightmare in 2012 under Spags (who many respect as a coordinator) and we had an all-too brief resurgence under Rob Ryan in 2013. However many argue that he's not really considered a top-flight D-coordinator and that 2013 success was just a mirage.
Now we have Dennis Allen -- who has shown signs that he's improving the defense, no doubt --- but do you feel like he's going to get us to the next level defensively?
People have said, myself included, that our defense need only be average for us to contend but I wonder if that's true still. I seems like beyond stats and rankings, NFL defenses need an identity.
Does Sean Payton need a dynamic, aggressive coordinator to mesh with his aggressive style of offense? Is an aggressive defensive identity what is needed most of all?
Is Allen the person to bring that edge/identity or will the improvements be minor in the hopes of establishing a solid but not great defense?
Dennis Allen is the man with the job but is the man for the job? What can we expect of Allen's defense next season?
This is about Coach Payton and his legacy as our coach and how he's seemingly squandered numerous seasons with a HOF QB on underwhelming and sometimes downright putrid defenses.
Gregg Williams is a dirty word around here and for good reason. His mishandling of his portion of the NFL investigation into so-called "bounties" helped set us back into the pit we find ourselves in now. But he was a pretty good coordinator on some pretty great Saints teams.
Gary Gibbs was a fair, yet underwhelming defensive coordinator from 06'-08'. He was jettisoned after 08' and Gregg Williams was brought in to give our defense a boost -- an edge -- an identity. A force of personality like Payton coexisting with a similar Williams seemed like a tall order. Payton established himself as Alpha Dog and gave Williams enough slack to do his thing. Some would argue it was too much slack given to a man with a tendency to push boundaries.
The pairing got off to a fast start as Payton's offense had spirited battles with William's defenses in camp and practices and in the end, they achieved unprecedented success as a team during Williams' tumultuous tenure.
<b>41-13 </b>
That's the Saints record (including postseason) from 2009-11. That included two division titles and a World Title.
<b>57-55</b>
That's Payton's record in the other seasons, (06'-08' and 2013-present) when you include the post season.
We experienced a nightmare in 2012 under Spags (who many respect as a coordinator) and we had an all-too brief resurgence under Rob Ryan in 2013. However many argue that he's not really considered a top-flight D-coordinator and that 2013 success was just a mirage.
Now we have Dennis Allen -- who has shown signs that he's improving the defense, no doubt --- but do you feel like he's going to get us to the next level defensively?
People have said, myself included, that our defense need only be average for us to contend but I wonder if that's true still. I seems like beyond stats and rankings, NFL defenses need an identity.
Does Sean Payton need a dynamic, aggressive coordinator to mesh with his aggressive style of offense? Is an aggressive defensive identity what is needed most of all?
Is Allen the person to bring that edge/identity or will the improvements be minor in the hopes of establishing a solid but not great defense?
Dennis Allen is the man with the job but is the man for the job? What can we expect of Allen's defense next season?