Cardell Hayes manslaughter conviction of Will Smith overturned by Supreme Court (1 Viewer)

Saint Kamara

Formerly SaintSproles and SaintReggie
Joined
Dec 14, 2006
Messages
38,737
Reaction score
51,536
Age
56
Location
Austin, TX
Offline
Sticky Post
Someone will have to explain this one to me, because I'm lost.



In 2016, Cardell Hayes was convicted of manslaughter in the fatal shooting of retired New Orleans Saints defensive leader Will Smith. Monday, the U.S. Supreme ...
 

zeetes

yo’ robbie fordz fo lyfe
VIP Subscribing Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2010
Messages
17,944
Reaction score
17,831
Location
yellow brick road
Online
If someone tells you they are going to get a gun after being aggressive and belligerent, you might want to consider defending yourself or find you have lost your life.
i have a .45 in my car :) also, a concealed permit. i am not anti gun, that is for sure.
 
Joined
Dec 25, 2011
Messages
5,349
Reaction score
9,628
Location
Da Pernt, NOLA
Offline
Plessy v. Ferguson, which was the preeminent SCOTUS case based around a biracial street car passenger who refused to give up his seat in New Orleans to protest La. segregated seating regulation law, was taken to the Supreme Court and who upheld "separate but equal" clause which was derived from a narrowing interpretation of the 13th and 14th Amendments. This landmark legal decision, affirmed many Southern states already pre-existing laws enacted during Reconstruction to limit the freedoms, like right to vote, right to assembly, in certain cases, some forms of freedom of speech and grandfather clause exemptions and Plessy/Ferguson also set the template for state-sanctioned segregation laws in all facets of public sphere for the next 100 years, until it was legally thrown out and delegitimized by Brown vs Board of Education and began to be politically or federally enforced in late 1950's/early-mid 1960's increasingly.

Then there was the Dred Scott decision

The SCOTUS upholding a California state law, affirmed and signed off by future liberal SCOTUS chief Earl Warren, then California state AG, deporting many loyal Japanese-Americans living in West Coast due to bigoted and racist-paranoia that Japanese military intelligence used its Magik coding intelligence from sympathetic Japanese Americans in any possible West Coast invasion scenario into LA, SF, or in the PNW states or even into Alaska or the Aleutians, which was the scene of quite a few notable, bloody cold conflicts where a combined US-Canadian ground forces successfully managed to drive out the Japanese military incursions by January 1943. These deportations order resetting thousands of loyal Japanese-Americans and Japanese-Canadians into camps shortly after Pearl Harbor, IMHO, are some of the worst, most egregious, horrific miscarriages of justice that was considered and then allowed to be perpetuated in American history and considering our historical treatment of racial and indigenous minorities as well as their legal and philosophical justifications or assents, that's an extremely high barrier to cross.
I mentioned prior to the 50s. I think public attitude towards civil rights changed markedly since WW2 and the Nazi regime highlighted how terrible we treat our fellow humans.
 

Dago

Veteran
Joined
Jan 10, 2007
Messages
6,677
Reaction score
10,231
Offline
*Man gets shot in the back 7 times*

"Its his fault....he should have de-escalated the situation. Besides it was just a mistake." (Paraphrased obviously)


Victim shaming brought to a whole new level.
 
Joined
May 4, 2020
Messages
29
Reaction score
68
Age
39
Location
Covington LA.
Offline
So quick to point out what won’t work perhaps you’d like to enlighten us with what will work given your professional Background Bethlehem California
As of now what has been attempted is not working. I'm not a gun activist by any means. I don't think banning AR-15's or other semi auto rifles will solve anything either. Just in this case with Smith he was killed with a simple handgun. Yes I am a police Officer but I actually only own one gun that was not issued to me by my department that is in my personal vehicle. My girlfriend owns one also that she keeps in her car and mine is a .380 Glock, hers a .38 revolver. I have my service handgun, Ar-15, and shotgun all issued by my department that stay in my department issued unit when off duty. I don't bring them in my house because I have small kids and if i do bring my sidearm inside I keep it in the level 3 retention holster and in a safe.
I don't know what will work but gun laws are not working and are not the end all be all answer either is all I can say. If you have all the answers then share but don't come at me with tons of attitude or disdain for pointing out that the current system isn't working if you yourself have no answers.
 
Joined
May 4, 2020
Messages
29
Reaction score
68
Age
39
Location
Covington LA.
Offline
*Man gets shot in the back 7 times*

"Its his fault....he should have de-escalated the situation. Besides it was just a mistake." (Paraphrased obviously)


Victim shaming brought to a whole new level.
Right I did not understand that either! It was as if they were blaming Will for his own death. He was shot several times in the back then his wife also shot! This dude had all intent to kill both of them.
 

Madmarsha

I default to sarcasm
VIP Contributor
Joined
Oct 11, 2006
Messages
31,215
Reaction score
42,420
Online
If someone tells you they are going to get a gun after being aggressive and belligerent, you may have only moments to determine the legitimacy of the threat and defend yourself or find you have lost your life.
I know I wasn't on the jury and don't know what else I may have heard to change my opinion. But knowing what little I do know, here's how I may have thought being a juror on the case: Will Smith died leaning into his car draped over his steering wheel. Now, in the time it was taking for him to admittedly go for his own gun as he said he was, Cardell Hughes could have taken cover and/or fled the scene to his own safety in defense of his life. Instead, he shot two people multiple times both of whom were unarmed at the time.
 
Joined
May 4, 2020
Messages
29
Reaction score
68
Age
39
Location
Covington LA.
Offline
I know I wasn't on the jury and don't know what else I may have heard to change my opinion. But knowing what little I do know, here's how I may have thought being a juror on the case: Will Smith died leaning into his car draped over his steering wheel. Now, in the time it was taking for him to admittedly go for his own gun as he said he was, Cardell Hughes could have taken cover and/or fled the scene to his own safety in defense of his life. Instead, he shot two people multiple times both of whom were unarmed at the time.
How correct you are! I agree 100% with you. For him to walk up behind Smith, shoot him 7 times in the back, then to take aim at his wife who was a complete victim probably screaming in fear for her life and that of her now dead husband shows he had every intent to kill them. That is murder no matter how you slice it. As you said he could have got back into his car and fled, or on foot. This makes him the aggressor!
 

Saint Greg

SR is my life!
Platinum VIP Contributor
Joined
Sep 6, 2000
Messages
17,427
Reaction score
16,632
Location
USA
Offline
If someone tells you they are going to get a gun after being aggressive and belligerent, you may have only moments to determine the legitimacy of the threat and defend yourself or find you have lost your life.
And you already have your gun and you were belligerent as well. So you follow them to their car and shoot them 7 times. That's okay?
 

gummbo70114

Pro-Bowler
Joined
Dec 1, 2006
Messages
2,162
Reaction score
2,729
Age
63
Location
In the o.c.
Online
As of now what has been attempted is not working. I'm not a gun activist by any means. I don't think banning AR-15's or other semi auto rifles will solve anything either. Just in this case with Smith he was killed with a simple handgun. Yes I am a police Officer but I actually only own one gun that was not issued to me by my department that is in my personal vehicle. My girlfriend owns one also that she keeps in her car and mine is a .380 Glock, hers a .38 revolver. I have my service handgun, Ar-15, and shotgun all issued by my department that stay in my department issued unit when off duty. I don't bring them in my house because I have small kids and if i do bring my sidearm inside I keep it in the level 3 retention holster and in a safe.
I don't know what will work but gun laws are not working and are not the end all be all answer either is all I can say. If you have all the answers then share but don't come at me with tons of attitude or disdain for pointing out that the current system isn't working if you yourself have no answers.
My answer to all of this that you have pointed out is this, you need to have comprehensive mental health checks to be able to obtain a gun or at least be able to fill out a permit to obtain a gun and while waiting for that permit to be approved to go through at least a minimum of a four week training course on how to handle said gun. On top of that to be able to remove guns with multiple capacity cartridges Off the market completely because no one needs an A.R. 15 semi automatic to go deer hunting. But of course if the killing of innocent children in high school junior high school in grammar school aren’t enough incentive to put positive legislation into place I don’t know what will.
 

fishing4food

Veteran Starter
Joined
Mar 18, 2013
Messages
835
Reaction score
1,365
Offline
If anyone has some time, review The Death of NFL star Will Smith on you tube made by Vice Sports. It's about 40 minutes long. Interesting interviews from members who participated in the trial and also from the lawyers.
 

Humperdoo

Who Dat.
VIP Subscribing Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2002
Messages
22,699
Reaction score
24,361
Age
43
Location
Middle Tennessee
Online
How correct you are! I agree 100% with you. For him to walk up behind Smith, shoot him 7 times in the back, then to take aim at his wife who was a complete victim probably screaming in fear for her life and that of her now dead husband shows he had every intent to kill them. That is murder no matter how you slice it. As you said he could have got back into his car and fled, or on foot. This makes him the aggressor!
It does seem excessive to me.
Even if he stands his ground with his gun trained on Will....anything rather than shooting 7 or 8 times, and in the back. I just don’t see how that’s self defense.
 

Humperdoo

Who Dat.
VIP Subscribing Member
Joined
Jun 14, 2002
Messages
22,699
Reaction score
24,361
Age
43
Location
Middle Tennessee
Online
If anyone has some time, review The Death of NFL start Will Smith on you tube made by Vice Sports. It's about 40 minutes long. Interesting interviews from members who participated in the trial and also from the lawyers.
I’m gonna check that out. Ty for the heads up.
 

Madmarsha

I default to sarcasm
VIP Contributor
Joined
Oct 11, 2006
Messages
31,215
Reaction score
42,420
Online
If anyone has some time, review The Death of NFL star Will Smith on you tube made by Vice Sports. It's about 40 minutes long. Interesting interviews from members who participated in the trial and also from the lawyers.
Thanks. I will!
 

Madmarsha

I default to sarcasm
VIP Contributor
Joined
Oct 11, 2006
Messages
31,215
Reaction score
42,420
Online
It does seem excessive to me.
Even if he stands his ground with his gun trained on Will....anything rather than shooting 7 or 8 times, and in the back. I just don’t see how that’s self defense.
I agree with you. I can get it starting out as that, but there was just too much time playing out that Will didn't even have a gun in his own hand yet.

I'm curious what the jury charge was in this case because that's what the jury has to go into the deliberation room with.
 

Madmarsha

I default to sarcasm
VIP Contributor
Joined
Oct 11, 2006
Messages
31,215
Reaction score
42,420
Online
How that night should have ended up was Will Smith being arrested for DUI hit and run. He admittedly made the first wrong decision and then Cardell Hayes pursued making the second and ultimately "wronger" wrong decision. Cardell Hayes stayed on scene giving credence to his belief that what he had done was act in self defense and I'm sure what he still thinks today. But he was wrong.
 
Last edited:

Create an account or login to comment

You must be a member in order to leave a comment

Create account

Create an account on our community. It's easy!

Log in

Already have an account? Log in here.

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)



New Orleans Saints Twitter Feed

Headlines

Top Bottom