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just out of curiosity, why is this the only thread you post on?So mister/misses insider information, what exactly did happen? And are these accusations based on facts or are they more falsehoods like the one that you kept repeating?
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just out of curiosity, why is this the only thread you post on?So mister/misses insider information, what exactly did happen? And are these accusations based on facts or are they more falsehoods like the one that you kept repeating?
Thanks for asking in a nice manner. Mostly because I wanted to talk about something that I am informed on, and I don’t have a lot of time to look on other threads right now. My mom is recovering from a botched hip surgery, and it is taking up most of my free time.just out of curiosity, why is this the only thread you post on?
What's up with the fan reactions like this dude was an anchor piece of the defense.
Isn't this his rookie year and he was undrafted?
Didn't we sign Mario Edwards and Wes Horton in the off season?
We still have Hendrickson.
I mean, it sucks losing anyone right before camp, but this dude would have been a long shot anyways right?
Let's start with a simple fact to see how factually accurate you're being. According to each of the women, how many times did each of them have to push away Granderson's hand?Seriously, how have I been off the mark? I’m am going directly from the reports from the case.
I’m not 100% sure about this but from what I recall, the boob touching was twice and the crotch was once. Correct me if I’m wrong miss/mister insider information. And they didn’t say no, and neither of them knew about the other being touched until after they left the apartment, and were walking home.Let's start with a simple fact to see how factually accurate you're being. According to each of the women, how many times did each of them have to push away Granderson's hand?
Both women claimed to have had to push away is hands a few times before he stopped.I’m not 100% sure about this but from what I recall, the boob touching was twice and the crotch was once. Correct me if I’m wrong miss/mister insider information. And they didn’t say no, and neither of them knew about the other being touched until after they left the apartment, and were walking home.
It does not in any way show an "abuse of power" or that the judge "had it out for Granderson." It simply shows the judge made a legal mistake. It happens and in this case the mistake was corrected.The original Judge seemed to have it out for Granderson, called his therapist and asked personal questions. This in itself was improper abuse of power by the sitting judge. And with the reversal of the Appeals Judge in the sentencing it shows that it was the case.
Do you have a link to the source that states how many times the girls pushed his hands away, or is it just another thing that you made up (like the “plead guilty”)? And seriously? Your argument that made the girls similar to a person that has a physical disability in which they cannot speak... these girls were fully able to speak.Both women claimed to have had to push away is hands a few times before he stopped.
Pushing away some one's hand is the same as saying no. If someone pushes away your hand, they are very clearly nonverbally telling you to stop.
Do you think it's okay to do whatever you want to a mute person since they can't verbally say no?
It does not in any way show an "abuse of power" or that the judge "had it out for Granderson." It simply shows the judge made a legal mistake. It happens and in this case the mistake was corrected.
I'm more concerned with whether or not the therapist answered any of the judges questions. That's not clear from the reports. If the therapist was not court appointed and did answer the judges questions, then that is a serious breach of patient confidentiality. Unless the therapist was court appointed or believed that Granderson was a danger to himself or others, it would have been illegal and unethical for them to answer the judges questions.
Oh boy.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
It's in some of the sources already quoted in this thread that they pushed his hand away several times. Where are your sources that say otherwise?Do you have a link to the source that states how many times the girls pushed his hands away,..
You entered this thread by making stuff up. I didn't make anything up. I did misspeak when I said he plead "guilty" instead of saying he plead "no contest."...or is it just another thing that you made up (like the “plead guilty”)?
You missed the point entirely.And seriously? Your argument that made the girls similar to a person that has a physical disability in which they cannot speak... these girls were fully able to speak.
Nothing I've read says what you're claiming here. Please provide a source for this. That's a weird question to ask a therapist. I'll have to see a credible source confirm this before I accept it as true.The therapist did answer the questions, which were essentially, “has he had prior sexual abuse, assault, problems in his past?” And the Therapists answers were “no”.
I said nothing about the overruling of the judges sentence proves that the judge had it out for Granderson, that's not the same thing as saying the judge didn't have it out for Granderson.How can you say that the judge didn’t have it out for Granderson?
This is just more exaggeration and wild opinionated speculation. The judge did not risk her career. Prove otherwise by showing how she's currently being disciplined or stripped of her judgeship. Prove that her career has been damaged.Especially when she risked her career by inappropriately asking a therapist of the defendant, in order to try and trap him and increase his sentence?
Can you provide a direct quote from the judge from the that overruled her sentence in which that judge says she abused her power?That is a total abuse of judicial power. Being a “judge” doesn’t include doing your own investigation on a defendant.
Why let a complete lack of supporting evidence or facts get in the way of blaming everything on a vindictive woman, am I right?I think that the judge might have been assaulted when she was in college by a football player and wanted retribution, even if the player in question wasn’t guilty.
Whoever you are,StudioSaint,
I’m saddened that you are into Social Justice and guilt before proven innocent, over Equal Justice and Due Process (innocent before being found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt). Please try to get out of any orders to serve on jury duty.
Some important factual clarifications:You should update the story so that people aren’t set to prejudge Granderson. Especially since the original sentencing was reversed during the appeals process. And because of an inappropriate abuse of power by the initial sentencing judge.
Miss or mister whoever you are, I already told you those facts are in articles posted in this thread. Read them or don't, your choice.Ok miss or mister facts, can you show me ONE source that says how many times his hand was pushed away?
That is correct. You kept trying to imply that the appeal judge accused her of abusing her power. That is not true.And it was also the Appeals Judges opinion that her actions were improper.
I've got the facts straight and corrected the one thing I misspoke on. Since you keep insisting you are the only one being factually accurate, let's put that to the test:You have gone against your own supposed beliefs in equal justice when you went against the facts of the proceedings of the case...
You've got the facts wrong about what I've said in this thread....and you became the judge and jury and self determined that he was guilty.
Again, read what I actually wrote. I said you have no proof that the judge had it out for Granderson. You still don't. It's merely speculation and opinion on your part. I never once said the judge didn't have it out for Granderson, I simply pointed out that there's no way any of us can know if that is true or not. Like you, I can't know whether or not she had it our for Granderson.And how can you still say that the judge didn’t have it out for him...
It's considered sexual assault under Wyoming law and 6 months of prison time is within the sentencing guidelines for sexual assault under Wyoming law. Sounds like you have more of a problem with the laws of Wyoming than anything else....yeah that is most definitely worth 6 months in jail...
Your hypothetical situation was and is still not consistent with the accusations made by the women.And my hypothetical situation was exactly following the facts of the case as they were reported here in Wyoming...
I don't and I'm not.So if you want to crucify Granderson...
Which is sexual assault in Wyoming....for arse grabbing two girls...
Not only would you be wrong and old school, if you did what Granderson was accused of doing, you could be convicted of sexual assault and sentenced to prison in the state of Wyoming. Again, it seems like your main issue is with the laws of Wyoming.But if I was in his situation, and two pretty girls decided to freely strip down to their underwear and hop into my bed, that it would show that they were interested. I might be wrong...I guess I’m just old school.
If they break the sexual assault laws of their states, then yes they should be sentenced according to their state's laws.But you should send about 90% of the males in America to prison too.
They are laws, not standards. All we have to do to stay out of prison is obey the law, right? Ignorance of the law is no excuse, right? We only have ourselves to blame if we break the law and go to prison, right?Because with the new standards for sexual assault, and harassment where it is considered rape if either of the sexual participants are intoxicated,
I open doors for women and say they look nice at work a lot. I've never once had a complaint filed against me or had a "sit down" with HR. Sorry to hear you're having that trouble at work, maybe take a look at your own actions?...and you can have HR have a sit down with you for simply opening a door for a female, or saying that she looks nice...
I'm not having a problem with any of that and neither are any of the men I know. Sorry to hear that you are, maybe take a look at your own actions?...and essentially needing a written contract to kiss, fondle or hug someone...
I don't have any of those fears and neither do any of the men I know. Sorry to hear that you are too afraid to try to have sexual encounters. I can't imagine how miserable that must be. Maybe you shouldn't be so afraid?...fear of litigation or imprisonment for attempting to get to the point of having a sexual encounter.