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I just read about this island in Louisiana that has nearly disappeared. You all may already know about this, but this is new to me.

One of the worst things about this administration is it’s science denial. Trump isn’t very smart nor is he well educated. This has permeated the entire administration. It’s yet one more way Trump is hurting the very people he says he is helping.

I know we had a thread an this originally, but it was past two pages back, so I decided to start a new one. I know this case isn’t completely due to climate change, but as the article points out, in the future there will be many cases like this.

http://www.businessinsider.com/isle-de-jean-charles-climate-change-refugees-2018-4
 
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Btw the .8 degrees that the earth has supposedly warmed in the past 150 years, even with the massive amounts of more CO2 from humans during that time, is actually within the margin of error. Hence climate change.
Again, there’s has been times in the past with soooo much more CO2 in the oceans, sea life turned out ok, no?
 

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Btw the .8 degrees that the earth has supposedly warmed in the past 150 years, even with the massive amounts of more CO2 from humans during that time, is actually within the margin of error. Hence climate change.
Again, there’s has been times in the past with soooo much more CO2 in the oceans, sea life turned out ok, no?
How quickly did those rises in Co2 happen?
Evolution can compensate for wide variations in climate provided they happen slowly enough.
It's when conditions change rapidly that we see massive die-offs.
150 years is less than an eye blink in geologic time.
 

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Btw the .8 degrees that the earth has supposedly warmed in the past 150 years, even with the massive amounts of more CO2 from humans during that time, is actually within the margin of error. Hence climate change.
Again, there’s has been times in the past with soooo much more CO2 in the oceans, sea life turned out ok, no?
You only need to look at the Great Barrier Reef or the dwindling and chaotic shift at the bottom of the marine foodchain with phytoplankton to recognize how ignorant this sounds. Species and ecosystmes evolved over thousands of years, almost all of them at the current levels of ocean PH. The slightest alteration of that can and has already been shown to have enormous consequences. And as already explained to you, these changes are not static, they are continual until change on our end is made, that means acidification doesn't just plateau, it also means that marine life and ecosystems will be in constant upheaval and have a hard time re-stabilizing at pre-change levels. Furthermore phytoplankton are enormous sinks fo CO2 and as their numbers dwindle the amount of CO2 the ocean can avoid absorbing reduces as well, as does the amount that can be pulled out of the atmosphere generally, so you unleash yet another vicious cycle that exacerbates the problem.
 

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and The solution to the new main problem(apparently acidification) is to tax the oil companies right?
I haven't heard this being suggested, but I have heard people suggest regulation restricting the release of material that contribute.

Where have you heard the taxation thing and how would that work?
 

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and The solution to the new main problem(apparently acidification) is to tax the oil companies right?
Yes, in the form of Cap and Trade. The east coast acid rain problem which caused issues between US/Canada was abated via Cap and Trade. EU already does a CO2 Cap and Trade.
 

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and The solution to the new main problem(apparently acidification) is to tax the oil companies right?
Part of it, yes.

It is the universal consensus among economists of any stripe on how to most effectively and efficiently deal with the presence of negative externality costs in a market. In this case the most widely agreed upon method is through a carbon tax, but there are other options that have been floated and discussed such as a cap and trade like Reagan and conservatives proposed(and was bi-partisingly implemented) that successfully dealt with acid rain.
 
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Has the acidity of the ocean even changed in the last 100 years? Are you also as worried about the acidity of your body and blood?
Do you care about glyphosate pollution in the oceans and your dna?
Doesn’t the ocean expel CO2 when it warms? So many questions.
 

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Has the acidity of the ocean even changed in the last 100 years? Are you also as worried about the acidity of your body and blood?
Do you care about glyphosate pollution in the oceans and your dna?
Doesn’t the ocean expel CO2 when it warms? So many questions.
Yes, it has.
 

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Has the acidity of the ocean even changed in the last 100 years? Are you also as worried about the acidity of your body and blood?
Do you care about glyphosate pollution in the oceans and your dna?
Doesn’t the ocean expel CO2 when it warms? So many questions.
Let me respond with a few of my own.

Are the direct measurements of ocean acidity and the evidence provided by coral die-offs fake? Is someone going around killing vast swaths of reef just to make it look like the oceans are dying in order to somehow "stick it to the man"?
What do your second and third questions have to do with the subject at hand?
Did we or did we not explain earlier that the carbon cycle is full? If so, it stands to reason that even if a warming ocean expelled CO2, there'd be nowhere for it to go.
Why are you such a slave to corporate profits that you'll kill not only yourself, but your children and grandchildren in order to keep them growing?
 

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I feel like if the last 15 posts over the last 7 days, across 4 pages that you have made are nothing but trolls and empty question begging that Google could of answered for you in 25 minutes, that roughly a dozen people actually take the time and effort to respond to, and your next response is to go for that 16th? It's time to just call it a night on that poster.

Onthurday logs in some time here 1-2 times a day it seems, says something inflammatory, tries to trigger the libs, then walks away and starts the cycle over again. It's Tylertechsas without the gift of formatting and a bit more subtlety.
 

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