Coach Pete: Education on Pro Player Conditioning (1 Viewer)

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I showed coach Pete the thread with the title, "Coach Pete, How Do Like Them Apples" As insulting as the intent of that post was, he just laughed and laughed. He said,

"Let me use this as an opportunity to share a little of what I have learned about pro-level conditioning. Only because of my experience, there are a few things I have some knowledge of that may be enjoyed by others."
"I've worked with Marcus Davenport. I've watched him, timed him and simply had the honor of observings a level of talent I have only seen in Michael Strahan and Von Miller. These elite kids are pampered from high school and usually paid well in College, They are like Gods on their campus. They are spoiled, praised, flocked after by hot girls and adored by the agents who pour money and privileges upon them.

As a coach, getting the top performance out of young athletes is a challenge. When I coached 15-18 year old young males with more testosterone than brain cells, they literally work till the wee hours of the night to come up with something that will embarrass me and my coaches. It's really fun and hysterical. So when some young punks try to insult me over Davenport and make sure the perceived insult is not to my face, I know that type teenage behavior. LMAO - in my culture, when younger, we would cut someone for that type insult. But what I've learned over the years is that it's just young males with more testosterone than brain cells - lol. If they are Who Dats fans, regardless of the Intelligent arse comments, they are friends of mine, so let me explain what really happens in training and developing super athletes, in the real world, not the Internet world of make believe Madden."
"Some of these kids are freak athletes. They have been sucked up to since high school. However, to have a winning team, a coach has to get these spoiled kids to perform near their maximum and play like they are part of a team. Stroking these elite kids egos is a disaster. You have to make them realize they are just a key part of something bigger than themselves. You gotta get them to buy into team and you gotta get them to understand they have a God-given talent that takes a lot of effort to actualize. Coaching and training are identical. You try to get the best out of each student and you try to get them to internalize the effort it's required to be a star and eventually a star in the NFL or whatever their age pursuits can support.

From my experience, unwarranted praise to elite spoiled athletes actually hinders their optimal development. The kids have to earn the praise of the coaches and they only get that through mature team like behavior and effort. So when a true natural super-elite athlete like Davenport comes along, if You blow up and praise them to try and get them to like you, they under-perform and don't become contributing team players. I know Marcus. He is a freak athlete and he is an extremely smart young man with a thirst for learning to get better. He has it all. He has a unique ability to set NFL records. But what they do has to be totally committed. As a coach and a trainer, you can never give praise to an elite player who is not performing to the best of their ability. When they don't perform their offseason assignment to them by their coaches, that is simply immature and not a team like responsible. But now they are being paid millions and have beautiful babes hanging on their arms.

So we as coaches and trainers have to call on these kids to rise above normal testosterone cycles and understand the huge investment teams are making on them. When Marcus, and not because he is a bad young man, Coach Pete loves the kid and he has elite potential, And he is not going to praise Marcus when he doesn't dedicate himself fully in the offseason becaseu that lack of total commitment hurts the team.

If Marcus had fully devoted himself to off-season training, the coaches would be teaching him advanced DE moves. But because he didn't, the coaches had to work on his conditioning instead of next-generation DE moves. What we are seeing this last week is basically pure athletic talent of Marcus. Can you imagine if he learned spin moves and other moves in addition to his speed bull rush moves. Marcus has the ability to be one of the greatest DEs in NFL history. But he must make a total commitment if he wants to go down alongside Michael Strhana and Von MIller."

To the Irish kid and his invisible supporters, I can only say that your lives can be enormously richer if you can get off the weak ego trip and learn a little about true self development. It's not easy. It takes really honest introspection. But the life long results are extraordinary!
 
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...If Marcus had fully devoted himself to off-season training, the coaches would be teaching him advanced DE moves. But because he didn't, the coaches had to work on his conditioning instead of next-generation DE moves. What we are seeing this last week is basically pure athletic talent of Marcus. Can you imagine if he learned spin moves and other moves in addition to his speed bull rush moves. Marcus has the ability to be one of the greatest DEs in NFL history. But he must make a total commitment if he wants to go down alongside Michael Strhana and Von MIller."

To the Irish kid and his invisible supporters, I can only say that your lives can be enormously richer if you can get off the weak ego trip and learn a little about true self development. It's not easy. It takes really honest introspection. But the life long results are extraordinary!
That's pretty much what I saw. His first pre-season game he was slow off the ball and exclusively used the bull rush to no effect. Many claimed to see him being double-teamed, but that was just not the case. That continued through the pre-season with slight improvement. He had a few good rushes against Texans. Last week he had a very solid performance as did the whole DL.

From the end of OTA's until the start of TC, he must have let himself go a little bit.
 

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That's better than laughing at people and calling them ignorant and stupid, like you both did in your first response.
Did it ever occur to you that you deserved it? It occurred to many others. Quit trying to own people. You're just not very good at it and it's discouraged on this site.
 
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Did it ever occur to you that you deserved it? It occurred to many others. Quit trying to own people. You're just not very good at it and it's discouraged on this site.
His comment was aimed at another poster, at least I thought it was. I don't think anyone ever deserves to be called stupid or ignorant and it's surprising to me that you would say anyone deserved to be called stupid and ignorant.

I'm not trying to own anyone.
 

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His comment was aimed at another poster, at least I thought it was. I don't think anyone ever deserves to be called stupid or ignorant and it's surprising to me that you would say anyone deserved to be called stupid and ignorant.

I'm not trying to own anyone.
I know that it was aimed at another poster, but you kind of went along for the ride. No big deal SS, the staff handled it.

I agree that nobody deserves to be called stupid and ignorant and the post was deleted and handled by moderators as it was a violation. But it doesn't excuse the original poster who declared some kind of victory and ownership. That is not acceptable here.
 

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... too much gossipy drama.
I disagree. I think it’s great. The X-factor on whether or not talented players become great always comes down to injury and work ethic. Pete offers insight to that X-factor that you rarely get to see. Fans will be fans...they will be protective and hopeful about the player, but they aren’t professionals.

I think that it is very frustrating for professionals within the sports med work to see gifted athletes who don’t put in the work. The biggest reason is that it takes a ton of blood, sweat, and tears to make it in Sports Med. You are generally surrounded by people who do everything that it takes to succeed and be great. So when you come across someone that is gifted and don’t put in the work, it’s very frustrating. It’s easy to bash a guy like Pete but I completely understand where he’s coming from and I’m pretty sure that most within Sports Med and competitive sports in general can empathize.
 

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...If Marcus had fully devoted himself to off-season training, the coaches would be teaching him advanced DE moves. But because he didn't, the coaches had to work on his conditioning instead of next-generation DE moves. What we are seeing this last week is basically pure athletic talent of Marcus. Can you imagine if he learned spin moves and other moves in addition to his speed bull rush moves. Marcus has the ability to be one of the greatest DEs in NFL history. But he must make a total commitment if he wants to go down alongside Michael Strhana and Von MIller."
But he has advanced and learned more DE moves? It's obvious his ability has improved in both the film room and on the field. He's now the main piece in the stunt game, and his role has expanded just like Rankins' did in his second season. he's being asked to do a lot more than his rookie year, and he's done it well through two games so far. Sure, there are still things he needs to improve on, but it's obvious what they worked on/focused on in the offseason and that he's picked up much of that pretty quickly.

Thats been my biggest ??? when anyone have brought up Davenport so far this year. His film has been good stuff. Not everyplay is designed to fill up a box score and I think thats where a lot of people can get caught up. Not knocking Coach Pete or anything, but Davenport is performing this year as he is being asked to. Coach gives some nice insight into athletic training. We'll see if he (Davenport) becomes that generational guy, but always thought that would take years to get him there.

Example:

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I don't understand why so many people just take what Coach Pete says as gospel regarding Davenport's work ethic... wasn't it one of his strength coming out of the draft ? Just google "Marcus Davenport work ethic" and you'll see tons of people praising him for it.
 

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But he has advanced and learned more DE moves? It's obvious his ability has improved in both the film room and on the field. He's now the main piece in the stunt game, and his role has expanded just like Rankins' did in his second season. he's being asked to do a lot more than his rookie year, and he's done it well through two games so far. Sure, there are still things he needs to improve on, but it's obvious what they worked on/focused on in the offseason and that he's picked up much of that pretty quickly.

Thats been my biggest ??? when anyone have brought up Davenport so far this year. His film has been good stuff. Not everyplay is designed to fill up a box score and I think thats where a lot of people can get caught up. Not knocking Coach Pete or anything, but Davenport is performing this year as he is being asked to. Coach gives some nice insight into athletic training. We'll see if he (Davenport) becomes that generational guy, but always thought that would take years to get him there.

Example:

Mini-thread:
I think that Pete is arguing that an all world talent should be playing like an all world talent. Right now he is playing “solid” or “doing what’s he’s being asked to do”. Pete attributes it to conditioning, which is a very plausible explanation. I don’t think that Pete is saying that Davenport sucks. He’s saying that this far he has not put in the world necessary to tap his elite ability. I think that is a very fair statement. Hopefully Davenports offseason regimen improves and he comes into 2021 looking like an elite defensive player.
 

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