Confidence level with Jamies Winston? (1 Viewer)

[j4m2b]

Will Jameis need to carry this team on his back?……probably not. He does not need to

Can Jameis complement this defense and worst case play the trent dilfer role like he did for ravens for us? Yes

Drew kept us in every game as long as he was on the field.

 

[Nola20094EVA]

Not saying Dalton is Aaron Rogers or even as good as Jameis, but I think he's better than most perceive. He was in a terrible situation in Cincinnati. His last 4 years he took 138 sacks, some of those weren't even full seasons. I remember watching him get crushed play after play in one of his last games as a Bengal, and all the announcers could do was talk about how his skills had diminished.

With this offense we may need someone with anticipation and accuracy more than sheer physical skills. Dalton could be more than adequate if called on for few games.

I agree bro but those things kill players careers as it screws with their psyche to the core. Same can be said about Derek Carrs older brother David. He had the talent but the Texans literally had him killed.

 

[Nola20094EVA]

Not to mentions his TE winning the Mackey his last year at FSU and being a finalist during the championship year.

Yep, the golden bear grandson Nick O Leary and also had Kelvin Benjamin which broke out of bad habits for the 13 season when Jameis took over and a legit college stud in Rashad Greene along with Kenny raw Shaw. Didn’t hurt having a young stud in Devonta Freeman to carry the rock and picking up blitzes like a pro. They were loaded with talent.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Jamies has a higher rating in Tampa throwing to the TEs, rather than WRs. He made a player out of O.J. Howard. Better than Brady did. Jamies was carrying JJ at the begining of the season. Hitting him in the endzone 2x. Right now Krull has the biggest upside of being a dynamic reciever threat down the middle of the field. Andy has hit him twice for long gains.

And OJ Howard paid him back by contributing to the INT total by trying to secure a ball behind his back on a good throw.

 

[wwepatriot]

He had a lot of targets to tight ends in Tampa.

May not be terrible if that TE is Taysom. Taysom has always looked like a better WR than some of the WRs on our roster. 2 seasons ago or so he hauled in 7 TD passes as a WR. People kind of forgot about that.

 

[Saint Kamara]

We all want Winston to succeed. That being said, the last practices he’s continued to throw interceptions. Today back to back with a pic 6. While it is training camp, should there be any level of concern? Historically (with the exception of last year) interceptions were his achilles heel. It appears none of his throws have much zip on them (at times noticable as well last year)

Chalking this up as training camp?

Based on the reactions to your original post, I think we just rippa'd you a new one.

 

[Louie18914]

JW turned Cam Brate to a pro bowl tight end

The same Cam Brate that was cut by the Saints and Sean Payton

Brees need receivers that can beat man coverage and Brate didnt have the skillset and was never open in Brees eyes

Tampa picked Brate up and JW to Brate downfield in the seam pattern was unstoppable

JW is the best anticipation thrower in the NFL today

*JW also helped turn a slow slot reciever, Adam Humphries, to a huge contract

Every receiver was much better with JW as QB and that is including Mike Evans and Chris Godwin

*Brady actually won the superbowl with his brought in recievers AJ Brown. Gronk and Fournette

***After 10 years with the Saints and at least 2 super bowls, Jameis Winston will be the greatest Saints Quarterback

 

[Louie18914]

False information is rampant in the times we are living in

And false facts pertaining to JW is among the worst

JW is very very accurate in the short passing game

95% of JW career ints we're from downfield pass routes especially miscommunication with recievers in the mid field and deep comeback routes

Your Louie watched every game of JW starting with his first college game with Pitt Panthers and every pro game

Louie knows all the strengths and weaknesses of JW (JW has them) more than any analyst in the sports media

Very very very rare has JW had any ints from short passes

2 pass patterns was thrown away by Brady that finally turned the BUCS into Superbowl winners 2020

The arcadic deep 20 yard comeback pattern which corners jump for pick 6. 2020 BUCS and Brady was struggling and finally threw Arians pass offence out the window and replaced it with Brady's and Patriots short passing offense. It was after BUCS loss to the Saints which Brady had 3 ints and Jack rabbit had the pick 6

The other pass route was Brady replaced the running back screen. Brady's/Patriots screen is the same as Sean Payton and differs in Bruce arians/leftwich screen design. Arians like to pull onlinman and get in the front and around the rb when catching the ball. Payton and Brady likes to throw the screen away from traffic and isolate into empty space for the rb to beat the linebacker 1 on 1

 

[Louie18914]

Sean Payton said that JW will never throw that many ints with him as coach and as QB of the Saints

All of the sports world including this forums Joe Burrow Donkeys and Lan Book club members mis read what Sean Payton actually ment

It wasn't to throw less or put JW in a leash. Lol. Payton looked at every career Int and knew JW wouldn't and couldn't throw that many ints in Payton's offense scheme and passing system. Payton doesn't throw deep comeback pass patterns and his scheme is short routes to open the deep patterns. The short passing patterns are the 1st read instead of check downs if the deep patterns are covered which Winston had for his first 5 years

Look and compare the career stats with JW and Matt Ryan under Dirk Koetter. JW was better

 

[Grilled Brees Sandwich]

False information is rampant in the times we are living in

And false facts pertaining to JW is among the worst

JW is very very accurate in the short passing game

95% of JW career ints we're from downfield pass routes especially miscommunication with recievers in the mid field and deep comeback routes

Your Louie watched every game of JW starting with his first college game with Pitt Panthers and every pro game

Louie knows all the strengths and weaknesses of JW (JW has them) more than any analyst in the sports media

Very very very rare has JW had any ints from short passes

2 pass patterns was thrown away by Brady that finally turned the BUCS into Superbowl winners 2020

The arcadic deep 20 yard comeback pattern which corners jump for pick 6. 2020 BUCS and Brady was struggling and finally threw Arians pass offence out the window and replaced it with Brady's and Patriots short passing offense. It was after BUCS loss to the Saints which Brady had 3 ints and Jack rabbit had the pick 6

The other pass route was Brady replaced the running back screen. Brady's/Patriots screen is the same as Sean Payton and differs in Bruce arians/leftwich screen design. Arians like to pull onlinman and get in the front and around the rb when catching the ball. Payton and Brady likes to throw the screen away from traffic and isolate into empty space for the rb to beat the linebacker 1 on 1

Yep. Another thing worth pointing out is due to not really having a good defense most of his time there, JW played behind in score a ton which forced him to have to be aggressive to try to comeback. Another crazy thing, I swear he had four games in Tampa where he had magical 30-60 second drives to put them in position to kick game winning field goal and kicker would always miss!

 

[jahsoul357]

Sean Payton said that JW will never throw that many ints with him as coach and as QB of the Saints

All of the sports world including this forums Joe Burrow Donkeys and Lan Book club members mis read what Sean Payton actually ment

It wasn't to throw less or put JW in a leash. Lol. Payton looked at every career Int and knew JW wouldn't and couldn't throw that many ints in Payton's offense scheme and passing system. Payton doesn't throw deep comeback pass patterns and his scheme is short routes to open the deep patterns. The short passing patterns are the 1st read instead of check downs if the deep patterns are covered which Winston had for his first 5 years

Look and compare the career stats with JW and Matt Ryan under Dirk Koetter. JW was better

This is a point that I was making that people seemed to miss. We are rating Jameis on a base offense that even the "GOAT" couldn't finish a season completing. For those that don't get it, In 2020, Brady played in a scaled down version of the Arians' offense that the Bucs ran in 2019 and was still on his way to a career high in interceptions before they chunked the playbook. Coming here, he finally got coaching (2019 is said to be the first time a QB coach has truly worked with him) and he picked up a lot of things regarding prep/practice from Brees but when we picked him up, I felt a change in environment and playbook would benefit him more than anything.

Yep. Another thing worth pointing out is due to not really having a good defense most of his time there, JW played behind in score a ton which forced him to have to be aggressive to try to comeback. Another crazy thing, I swear he had four games in Tampa where he had magical 30-60 second drives to put them in position to kick game winning field goal and kicker would always miss!

Succop was the real MVP...lol

 

[bearze34]

Nothing to see here. Drew threw INTs in camp all the time. Ian Book was 10 for 12. You want to start him? Andy was 1 for 4 the other day.

I think Book should be given every opportunity to start. If he was better why would you want to play anyone else?

 

[wwepatriot]

95% of JW career ints we're from downfield pass routes especially miscommunication with recievers in the mid field and deep comeback routes

What highlights I did watch when I did see the Bucs and Winston, their was so so many passes JW threw on the mark that the WR would tip or bat up in the air for an INT. Its not a QB issue IMO, some reason the WRs were really bad at catching his passes that was on the mark.

 

[Cajun Chat]

I have as much confidence in Winston as the organization that signed their starting quarterback to a two year 22-million-dollar contract.

So is that equal to a 6 or 7 out of 10?

 

[rippa]

Bump.... Still feel the same fellas?