could you pass 8th grade in 1895? (1 Viewer)

Could they use the web for research, use a computer to create powerpoint presentations of said material?

How about this math?

Algebra I
Grades Eight Through Twelve - Mathematics Content Standards.

Symbolic reasoning and calculations with symbols are central in algebra. Through the study of algebra, a student develops an understanding of the symbolic language of mathematics and the sciences. In addition, algebraic skills and concepts are developed and used in a wide variety of problem-solving situations.
1.0 Students identify and use the arithmetic properties of subsets of integers and rational, irrational, and real numbers, including closure properties for the four basic arithmetic operations where applicable:

1.1 Students use properties of numbers to demonstrate whether assertions are true or false.

2.0 Students understand and use such operations as taking the opposite, finding the reciprocal, taking a root, and raising to a fractional power. They understand and use the rules of exponents.

3.0 Students solve equations and inequalities involving absolute values.

4.0 Students simplify expressions before solving linear equations and inequalities in one variable, such as 3(2x-5) + 4(x-2) = 12.

5.0 Students solve multistep problems, including word problems, involving linear equations and linear inequalities in one variable and provide justification for each step.

6.0 Students graph a linear equation and compute the x- and y- intercepts (e.g., graph 2x + 6y = 4). They are also able to sketch the region defined by linear inequality (e.g., they sketch the region defined by 2x + 6y < 4).

7.0 Students verify that a point lies on a line, given an equation of the line. Students are able to derive linear equations by using the point-slope formula.

8.0 Students understand the concepts of parallel lines and perpendicular lines and how those slopes are related. Students are able to find the equation of a line perpendicular to a given line that passes through a given point.

9.0 Students solve a system of two linear equations in two variables algebraically and are able to interpret the answer graphically. Students are able to solve a system of two linear inequalities in two variables and to sketch the solution sets.

10.0 Students add, subtract, multiply, and divide monomials and polynomials. Students solve multistep problems, including word problems, by using these techniques.

11.0 Students apply basic factoring techniques to second-and simple third-degree polynomials. These techniques include finding a common factor for all terms in a polynomial, recognizing the difference of two squares, and recognizing perfect squares of binomials.

12.0 Students simplify fractions with polynomials in the numerator and denominator by factoring both and reducing them to the lowest terms.

13.0 Students add, subtract, multiply, and divide rational expressions and functions. Students solve both computationally and conceptually challenging problems by using these techniques.

14.0 Students solve a quadratic equation by factoring or completing the square.

15.0 Students apply algebraic techniques to solve rate problems, work problems, and percent mixture problems.

16.0 Students understand the concepts of a relation and a function, determine whether a given relation defines a function, and give pertinent information about given relations and functions.

17.0 Students determine the domain of independent variables and the range of dependent variables defined by a graph, a set of ordered pairs, or a symbolic expression.

18.0 Students determine whether a relation defined by a graph, a set of ordered pairs, or a symbolic expression is a function and justify the conclusion.

19.0 Students know the quadratic formula and are familiar with its proof by completing the square.

20.0 Students use the quadratic formula to find the roots of a second-degree polynomial and to solve quadratic equations.

21.0 Students graph quadratic functions and know that their roots are the x- intercepts.

22.0 Students use the quadratic formula or factoring techniques or both to determine whether the graph of a quadratic function will intersect the x-axis in zero, one, or two points.

23.0 Students apply quadratic equations to physical problems, such as the motion of an object under the force of gravity.

24.0 Students use and know simple aspects of a logical argument:

24.1 Students explain the difference between inductive and deductive reasoning and identify and provide examples of each.


24.2 Students identify the hypothesis and conclusion in logical deduction. 24.3 Students use counterexamples to show that an assertion is false and recognize that a single counterexample is sufficient to refute an assertion.

25.0 Students use properties of the number system to judge the validity of results, to justify each step of a procedure, and to prove or disprove statements:

25.1 Students use properties of numbers to construct simple, valid arguments (direct and indirect) for, or formulate counterexamples to, claimed assertions.


25.2 Students judge the validity of an argument according to whether the properties of the real number system and the order of operations have been applied correctly at each step.


25.3 Given a specific algebraic statement involving linear, quadratic, or absolute value expressions or equations or inequalities, students determine whether the statement is true sometimes, always, or never.



Questions: State Board of Education | 916-319-0827

and this for reading?


Reading
1.0 Word Analysis, Fluency, and Systematic Vocabulary Development
Students use their knowledge of word origins and word relationships, as well as historical and literary context clues, to determine the meaning of specialized vocabulary and to understand the precise meaning of grade-level-appropriate words.

Vocabulary and Concept Development
1.1 Analyze idioms, analogies, metaphors, and similes to infer the literal and figurative meanings of phrases.
1.2 Understand the most important points in the history of English language and use common word origins to determine the historical influences on English word meanings.
1.3 Use word meanings within the appropriate context and show ability to verify those meanings by definition, restatement, example, comparison, or contrast.

2.0 Reading Comprehension (Focus on Informational Materials)
Students read and understand grade-level-appropriate material. They describe and connect the essential ideas, arguments, and perspectives of the text by using their knowledge of text structure, organization, and purpose. The selections in Recommended Literature, Kindergarten Through Grade Twelve illustrate the quality and complexity of the materials to be read by students. In addition, students read one million words annually on their own, including a good representation of narrative and expository text (e.g., classic and contemporary literature, magazines, newspapers, online information).

Structural Features of Informational Materials
2.1 Compare and contrast the features and elements of consumer materials to gain meaning from documents (e.g., warranties, contracts, product information, instruction manuals).
2.2 Analyze text that uses proposition and support patterns.

Comprehension and Analysis of Grade-Level-Appropriate Text
2.3 Find similarities and differences between texts in the treatment, scope, or organization of ideas.
2.4 Compare the original text to a summary to determine whether the summary accurately captures the main ideas, includes critical details, and conveys the underlying meaning.
2.5 Understand and explain the use of a complex mechanical device by following technical directions.
2.6 Use information from a variety of consumer, workplace, and public documents to explain a situation or decision and to solve a problem.

Expository Critique
2.7 Evaluate the unity, coherence, logic, internal consistency, and structural patterns of text.

3.0 Literary Response and Analysis
Students read and respond to historically or culturally significant works of literature that reflect and enhance their studies of history and social science. They clarify the ideas and connect them to other literary works. The selections in Recommended Literature, Kindergarten Through Grade Twelve illustrate the quality and complexity of the materials to be read by students.

Structural Features of Literature
3.1 Determine and articulate the relationship between the purposes and characteristics of different forms of poetry (e.g., ballad, lyric, couplet, epic, elegy, ode, sonnet).

Narrative Analysis of Grade-Level-Appropriate Text
3.2 Evaluate the structural elements of the plot (e.g., subplots, parallel episodes, climax), the plot's development, and the way in which conflicts are (or are not) addressed and resolved.
3.3 Compare and contrast motivations and reactions of literary characters from different historical eras confronting similar situations or conflicts.
3.4 Analyze the relevance of the setting (e.g., place, time, customs) to the mood, tone, and meaning of the text.
3.5 Identify and analyze recurring themes (e.g., good versus evil) across traditional and contemporary works.
3.6 Identify significant literary devices (e.g., metaphor, symbolism, dialect, irony) that define a writer's style and use those elements to interpret the work.

Literary Criticism
3.7 Analyze a work of literature, showing how it reflects the heritage, traditions, attitudes, and beliefs of its author. (Biographical approach)

Writing
1.0 Writing Strategies
Students write clear, coherent, and focused essays. The writing exhibits students' awareness of audience and purpose. Essays contain formal introductions, supporting evidence, and conclusions. Students progress through the stages of the writing process as needed.

Organization and Focus
1.1 Create compositions that establish a controlling impression, have a coherent thesis, and end with a clear and well-supported conclusion.
1.2 Establish coherence within and among paragraphs through effective transitions, parallel structures, and similar writing techniques.
1.3 Support theses or conclusions with analogies, paraphrases, quotations, opinions from authorities, comparisons, and similar devices.

Research and Technology
1.4 Plan and conduct multiple-step information searches by using computer networks and modems.
1.5 Achieve an effective balance between researched information and original ideas.

Evaluation and Revision
1.6 Revise writing for word choice; appropriate organization; consistent point of view; and transitions between paragraphs, passages, and ideas.

2.0 Writing Applications (Genres and Their Characteristics)
Students write narrative, expository, persuasive, and descriptive essays of at least 500 to 700 words in each genre. Student writing demonstrates a command of standard American English and the research, organizational, and drafting strategies outlined in Writing Standard 1.0.

Using the writing strategies of grade eight outlined in Writing Standard 1.0, students:

2.1 Write biographies, autobiographies, short stories, or narratives:
a. Relate a clear, coherent incident, event, or situation by using well-chosen details.
b. Reveal the significance of, or the writer's attitude about, the subject.
c. Employ narrative and descriptive strategies (e.g., relevant dialogue, specific action, physical description, background description, comparison or contrast of characters).

2.2 Write responses to literature:
a. Exhibit careful reading and insight in their interpretations.
b. Connect the student's own responses to the writer's techniques and to specific textual references.
c. Draw supported inferences about the effects of a literary work on its audience.
d. Support judgments through references to the text, other works, other authors, or to personal knowledge.

2.3 Write research reports:
a. Define a thesis.
b. Record important ideas, concepts, and direct quotations from significant information sources and paraphrase and summarize all perspectives on the topic, as appropriate.
c. Use a variety of primary and secondary sources and distinguish the nature and value of each.
d. Organize and display information on charts, maps, and graphs.

2.4 Write persuasive compositions:
a. Include a well-defined thesis (i.e., one that makes a clear and knowledgeable judgment).
b. Present detailed evidence, examples, and reasoning to support arguments, differentiating between facts and opinion.
c. Provide details, reasons, and examples, arranging them effectively by anticipating and answering reader concerns and counterarguments.

2.5 Write documents related to career development, including simple business letters and job applications:
a. Present information purposefully and succinctly and meet the needs of the intended audience.
b. Follow the conventional format for the type of document (e.g., letter of inquiry, memorandum).

2.6 Write technical documents:
a. Identify the sequence of activities needed to design a system, operate a tool, or explain the bylaws of an organization.
b. Include all the factors and variables that need to be considered.
c. Use formatting techniques (e.g., headings, differing fonts) to aid comprehension.

Written and Oral English Language Conventions
The standards for written and oral English language conventions have been placed between those for writing and for listening and speaking because these conventions are essential to both sets of skills.

1.0 Written and Oral English Language Conventions
Students write and speak with a command of standard English conventions appropriate to this grade level.

Sentence Structure
1.1 Use correct and varied sentence types and sentence openings to present a lively and effective personal style.
1.2 Identify and use parallelism, including similar grammatical forms, in all written discourse to present items in a series and items juxtaposed for emphasis.
1.3 Use subordination, coordination, apposition, and other devices to indicate clearly the relationship between ideas.

Grammar
1.4 Edit written manuscripts to ensure that correct grammar is used.

Punctuation and Capitalization
1.5 Use correct punctuation and capitalization.

Spelling
1.6 Use correct spelling conventions.

Listening and Speaking
1.0 Listening and Speaking Strategies
Students deliver focused, coherent presentations that convey ideas clearly and relate to the background and interests of the audience. They evaluate the content of oral communication.

Comprehension
1.1 Analyze oral interpretations of literature, including language choice and delivery, and the effect of the interpretations on the listener.
1.2 Paraphrase a speaker's purpose and point of view and ask relevant questions concerning the speaker's content, delivery, and purpose.

Organization and Delivery of Oral Communication
1.3 Organize information to achieve particular purposes by matching the message, vocabulary, voice modulation, expression, and tone to the audience and purpose.
1.4 Prepare a speech outline based upon a chosen pattern of organization, which generally includes an introduction; transitions, previews, and summaries; a logically developed body; and an effective conclusion.
1.5 Use precise language, action verbs, sensory details, appropriate and colorful modifiers, and the active rather than the passive voice in ways that enliven oral presentations.
1.6 Use appropriate grammar, word choice, enunciation, and pace during formal presentations.
1.7 Use audience feedback (e.g., verbal and nonverbal cues):
a. Reconsider and modify the organizational structure or plan.
b. Rearrange words and sentences to clarify the meaning.

Analysis and Evaluation of Oral and Media Communications
1.8 Evaluate the credibility of a speaker (e.g., hidden agendas, slanted or biased material).
1.9 Interpret and evaluate the various ways in which visual image makers (e.g., graphic artists, illustrators, news photographers) communicate information and affect impressions and opinions.

2.0 Speaking Applications (Genres and Their Characteristics)
Students deliver well-organized formal presentations employing traditional rhetorical strategies (e.g., narration, exposition, persuasion, description). Student speaking demonstrates a command of standard American English and the organizational and delivery strategies outlined in Listening and Speaking Standard 1.0.

Using the speaking strategies of grade eight outlined in Listening and Speaking Standard 1.0, students:

2.1 Deliver narrative presentations (e.g., biographical, autobiographical):
a. Relate a clear, coherent incident, event, or situation by using well-chosen details.
b. Reveal the significance of, and the subject's attitude about, the incident, event, or situation.
c. Employ narrative and descriptive strategies (e.g., relevant dialogue, specific action, physical description, background description, comparison or contrast of characters).

2.2 Deliver oral responses to literature:
a. Interpret a reading and provide insight.
b. Connect the students' own responses to the writer's techniques and to specific textual references.
c. Draw supported inferences about the effects of a literary work on its audience.
d. Support judgments through references to the text, other works, other authors, or personal knowledge.

2.3 Deliver research presentations:
a. Define a thesis.
b. Record important ideas, concepts, and direct quotations from significant information sources and paraphrase and summarize all relevant perspectives on the topic, as appropriate.
c. Use a variety of primary and secondary sources and distinguish the nature and value of each.
d. Organize and record information on charts, maps, and graphs.

2.4 Deliver persuasive presentations:
a. Include a well-defined thesis (i.e., one that makes a clear and knowledgeable judgment).
b. Differentiate fact from opinion and support arguments with detailed evidence, examples, and reasoning.
c. Anticipate and answer listener concerns and counterarguments effectively through the inclusion and arrangement of details, reasons, examples, and other elements.
d. Maintain a reasonable tone.

2.5 Recite poems (of four to six stanzas), sections of speeches, or dramatic soliloquies, using voice modulation, tone, and gestures expressively to enhance the meaning.



Questions: State Board of Education | 916-319-0827

And this for science

Focus on Physical Science
Motion
The velocity of an object is the rate of change of its position. As a basis for understanding this concept:
Students know position is defined in relation to some choice of a standard reference point and a set of reference directions.
Students know that average speed is the total distance traveled divided by the total time elapsed and that the speed of an object along the path traveled can vary.
Students know how to solve problems involving distance, time, and average speed.
Students know the velocity of an object must be described by specifying both the direction and the speed of the object.
Students know changes in velocity may be due to changes in speed, direction, or both.
Students know how to interpret graphs of position versus time and graphs of speed versus time for motion in a single direction.
Forces
Unbalanced forces cause changes in velocity. As a basis for understanding this concept:
Students know a force has both direction and magnitude.
Students know when an object is subject to two or more forces at once, the result is the cumulative effect of all the forces.
Students know when the forces on an object are balanced, the motion of the object does not change.
Students know how to identify separately the two or more forces that are acting on a single static object, including gravity, elastic forces due to tension or compression in matter, and friction.
Students know that when the forces on an object are unbalanced, the object will change its velocity (that is, it will speed up, slow down, or change direction).
Students know the greater the mass of an object, the more force is needed to achieve the same rate of change in motion.
Students know the role of gravity in forming and maintaining the shapes of planets, stars, and the solar system.
Structure of Matter
Each of the more than 100 elements of matter has distinct properties and a distinct atomic structure. All forms of matter are composed of one or more of the elements. As a basis for understanding this concept:
Students know the structure of the atom and know it is composed of protons, neutrons, and electrons.
Students know that compounds are formed by combining two or more different elements and that compounds have properties that are different from their constituent elements.
Students know atoms and molecules form solids by building up repeating patterns, such as the crystal structure of NaCl or long-chain polymers.
Students know the states of matter (solid, liquid, gas) depend on molecular motion.
Students know that in solids the atoms are closely locked in position and can only vibrate; in liquids the atoms and molecules are more loosely connected and can collide with and move past one another; and in gases the atoms and molecules are free to move independently, colliding frequently.
Students know how to use the periodic table to identify elements in simple compounds.
Earth in the Solar System (Earth Sciences)
The structure and composition of the universe can be learned from studying stars and galaxies and their evolution. As a basis for understanding this concept:
Students know galaxies are clusters of billions of stars and may have different shapes.
Students know that the Sun is one of many stars in the Milky Way galaxy and that stars may differ in size, temperature, and color.
Students know how to use astronomical units and light years as measures of distances between the Sun, stars, and Earth.
Students know that stars are the source of light for all bright objects in outer space and that the Moon and planets shine by reflected sunlight, not by their own light.
Students know the appearance, general composition, relative position and size, and motion of objects in the solar system, including planets, planetary satellites, comets, and asteroids.
Reactions
Chemical reactions are processes in which atoms are rearranged into different combinations of molecules. As a basis for understanding this concept:
Students know reactant atoms and molecules interact to form products with different chemical properties.
Students know the idea of atoms explains the conservation of matter: In chemical reactions the number of atoms stays the same no matter how they are arranged, so their total mass stays the same.
Students know chemical reactions usually liberate heat or absorb heat.
Students know physical processes include freezing and boiling, in which a material changes form with no chemical reaction.
Students know how to determine whether a solution is acidic, basic, or neutral.
Chemistry of Living Systems (Life Sciences)
Principles of chemistry underlie the functioning of biological systems. As a basis for understanding this concept:
Students know that carbon, because of its ability to combine in many ways with itself and other elements, has a central role in the chemistry of living organisms.
Students know that living organisms are made of molecules consisting largely of carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, and sulfur.
Students know that living organisms have many different kinds of molecules, including small ones, such as water and salt, and very large ones, such as carbohydrates, fats, proteins, and DNA.
Periodic Table
The organization of the periodic table is based on the properties of the elements and reflects the structure of atoms. As a basis for understanding this concept:
Students know how to identify regions corresponding to metals, nonmetals, and inert gases.
Students know each element has a specific number of protons in the nucleus (the atomic number) and each isotope of the element has a different but specific number of neutrons in the nucleus.
Students know substances can be classified by their properties, including their melting temperature, density, hardness, and thermal and electrical conductivity.
Density and Buoyancy
All objects experience a buoyant force when immersed in a fluid. As a basis for understanding this concept:
Students know density is mass per unit volume.
Students know how to calculate the density of substances (regular and irregular solids and liquids) from measurements of mass and volume.
Students know the buoyant force on an object in a fluid is an upward force equal to the weight of the fluid the object has displaced.
Students know how to predict whether an object will float or sink.
Investigation and Experimentation
Scientific progress is made by asking meaningful questions and conducting careful investigations. As a basis for understanding this concept and addressing the content in the other three strands, students should develop their own questions and perform investigations. Students will:
Plan and conduct a scientific investigation to test a hypothesis.
Evaluate the accuracy and reproducibility of data.
Distinguish between variable and controlled parameters in a test.
Recognize the slope of the linear graph as the constant in the relationship y=kx and apply this principle in interpreting graphs constructed from data.
Construct appropriate graphs from data and develop quantitative statements about the relationships between variables.
Apply simple mathematic relationships to determine a missing quantity in a mathematic expression, given the two remaining terms (including speed = distance/time, density = mass/volume, force = pressure × area, volume = area × height).
Distinguish between linear and nonlinear relationships on a graph of data.




Questions: State Board of Education | 916-319-0693



I doubt it.

Yes material is copied and pasted. However the California Standards are open source public documents.
 
I didn't feel like the guy in the Snopes article was trying to justify anything to make himself feel better; rather, I thought he had really valid points, which Dave's post demonstrated beautifully. The standards for education in the 1890s were different. There were lots of things we'd consider important today that weren't on that test. And there are things they considered important - like bushels and the price of wheat - that are entirely irrelevant to us.

The original person who first began circulated the 1895 test seems to be the one who needed to feel better about something. To feel better about the past and worse about the present, to reassure himself or herself that the United States was once an idyllic paradise where kids learned their reading, writing, and 'rithmetic like they should, but that today, our once-great nation has begun its slide, a slide so great that our eighth-graders don't even know how many bushels of wheat can fit in a wagon, or the (arbitrarily defined) principal rules of arithmetic and verb conjugation.
 
No one feels like wasting their time. Your inadequacy isn't our problem.

just what the world needs another 26 yr old know it all that provides no facts to back up anything.

and usually its those who insult others are the ones who feel inadequate - kinda like a "confidence beard"
 
I don't get your point in pushing this thread. It's largely irrelevant - the test is NOT a test for 8th graders in 1895. So your initial premise is completely invalid. So why persist such a non sequitur?

If you are trying, in a roundabout way, to criticize the US Educational system and/or nostalgically lament the bygone days of students who really knew "stuff" - it's a rather protracted and wholly unnecessary way to go about it.

There are enough warts and scabs in the US Educational system to pick it without resorting to a perpetuated internet fallacy.

First of all, do you know why junior high and high schools existed in 1895 vs. why the existed today? They aren't the same reasons. Students attempting to get into high school were on a track for a university education at Ivy League schools. They did not have the same policies or goals as the contemporary objectives of education for all.

So any analogy you would try to draw, regardless of its virtual veracity, to 1895 would almost immediately be dismissable.

The larger issue is what constitutes "knowledge" and who has the authority to establish what other people should know. This was immensely popular in the 1980s with the Cultural Literacy movement and the likes of Bennett and Hirsch, whose attempts are largely reviled in educational circles for being a misguided attempt to declare which knowledge is worthy knowledge.

It is this type of thinking that leads people to believe that entire curricular structures can be designed around and toward a single test that measures a very narrow set of skills or trivia.

It might sit well with some parents and it might be reflective of the educational experience of our elected officials - but is it really educational? I am willing to guess that most of them have an educational background that is outdated and/or privileged. So anything that simplifies the assessment of mass amounts of children and a schoolday that has kids in desks for entirely too long in too many overly structured ways appeals to people who would look at an 1895 test for 8th graders and wistfully long for those good ol' days.

In the end, you're trying to make a point that isn't there. And you are using a most faulty argument to get there.

Again, I ask, why persist?

edit: if the OP was strictly throwing down a junior high gauntlet in the interest of curiosity and not to make some comment on the state of education, then feel free to disregard my comments. I just thought I detected an undertone that may not have been there in my educational paranoia.
 
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I don't get your point in pushing this thread. It's largely irrelevant - the test is NOT a test for 8th graders in 1895. So your initial premise is completely invalid. So why persist such a non sequitur?

If you are trying, in a roundabout way, to criticize the US Educational system and/or nostalgically lament the bygone days of students who really knew "stuff" - it's a rather protracted and wholly unnecessary way to go about it.

There are enough warts and scabs in the US Educational system to pick it without resorting to a perpetuated internet fallacy.

First of all, do you know why junior high and high schools existed in 1895 vs. why the existed today? They aren't the same reasons. Students attempting to get into high school were on a track for a university education at Ivy League schools. They did not have the same policies or goals as the contemporary objectives of education for all.

So any analogy you would try to draw, regardless of its virtual veracity, to 1895 would almost immediately be dismissable.

The larger issue is what constitutes "knowledge" and who has the authority to establish what other people should know. This was immensely popular in the 1980s with the Cultural Literacy movement and the likes of Bennett and Hirsch, whose attempts are largely reviled in educational circles for being a misguided attempt to declare which knowledge is worthy knowledge.

It is this type of thinking that leads people to believe that entire curricular structures can be designed around and toward a single test that measures a very narrow set of skills or trivia.

It might sit well with some parents and it might be reflective of the educational experience of our elected officials - but is it really educational? I am willing to guess that most of them have an educational background that is outdated and/or privileged. So anything that simplifies the assessment of mass amounts of children and a schoolday that has kids in desks for entirely too long in too many overly structured ways appeals to people who would look at an 1895 test for 8th graders and wistfully long for those good ol' days.

In the end, you're trying to make a point that isn't there. And you are using a most faulty argument to get there.

Again, I ask, why persist?

edit: if the OP was strictly throwing down a junior high gauntlet in the interest of curiosity and not to make some comment on the state of education, then feel free to disregard my comments. I just thought I detected an undertone that may not have been there in my educational paranoia.

not ure if you were directing this towards me - but i just posted it because it was emailed to me and i thought it was interesting.
 
not ure if you were directing this towards me - but i just posted it because it was emailed to me and i thought it was interesting.

which is why I added:

if the OP was strictly throwing down a junior high gauntlet in the interest of curiosity and not to make some comment on the state of education, then feel free to disregard my comments. I just thought I detected an undertone that may not have been there in my educational paranoia.
 
not ure if you were directing this towards me - but i just posted it because it was emailed to me and i thought it was interesting.


You probably should have stated this in your original post, and that most likely would have avoided any confusion.
 

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