COVID-19 Outbreak Information Updates (Reboot) [13,137,962 US cases, 268,219 US deaths.] (27 Viewers)

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The original COVID-19 Outbreak thread has been closed but is still available as a read-only thread (sticky above). The original thread had become less and less about new information and more about petty bickering. The purpose of this new thread is to link or report new information as it comes out. Try not to go off course from the topic. Those of you who had been banned from the original thread feel free to participate in this new thread. Just stay on topic. Thank you.
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Bottom line is that moving forward we simply don't want any political bickering going on within this thread, and want to try to limit this thread to being as much about sharing Covid-19 information as possible.

If you want to discuss the political aspects of Covid-19 with other SR members, you can do so here (If you are not already registered there, you will be required to do so)...
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I really hope this is reason to feel optimistic about the intermediate term. The next 2-3 months are gonna be really tough, but beyond that, I think there's reason to think we'll be in a better place then with the vaccines widely made available.
I am hopeful that the first 20 million or so courses of the two earliest vaccines, over 40 million doses, are out there in circulation in the next 4-6 weeks. If all healthcare workers (about 16 million people) and all Nursing Home Residents (about 1.5 million people) are given the vaccines first, it should help a great deal. I am hopeful/optimistic that the Astrazeneca vaccine will show positive results and get approval by mid January. The total number of people who could get vaccinated between now and the end of January could run as high as 40-50 million people. That should take a huge slice of the most vulnerable people pretty much off the table. (At 50 million people vaccinated, if done this way, that would be just about enough to vaccinate every healthcare worker in the USA and every person over the age of 70 years old.)

In my opinion, people need to see positive stories about the vaccination programs. They can't be getting doom and gloom "fake vaccine" stories every day. For this to be effective, you need needles in arms and lots of needles and lots of arms.
 
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Healthy reminder that the media often runs with stories that may be total BS if it fits the narrative or gets eyeballs/clicks.

If she made up the story, she should be suspended. But, it's the news organization's responsibility to vet sources and verify claims before airing. That's just basic journalism 101. Not that there aren't any crazy people out there, but while her claims seemed believable, I did wonder if people who are on death's door actually respond like that. Complete denial doesn't seem likely after the typical weeks of suffering from Covid symptoms.
 

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Historical Information from a virus that scared people and caused massive disruptions in lives. The Polio Virus is one that just terrified people because it mostly infected children. Before my time, and most people on this board, every Summer, there was an outbreak of Polio in the USA and around the world. It caused outright panic among parents and children were kept away from other children. (Polio is still out there today, but at a much lower rate. On Oct. 24, 2019, World Polio Day, WHO announced there were only 94 cases of wild polio in the world. A global campaign is underway to eradicate the disease worldwide.)

Dr. Jonas Salk was 33 years old when he took up the task of developing a safe and effective Polio Vaccine. He spent the next 2 1/2 years working at The University of Pittsburgh in his lab working on this project. He and his fellow scientists worked around live Polio virus on a daily basis. Eventually, he developed a potential vaccine and was given permission to try it out. He gave the experimental vaccine to his three healthy sons. Trials continued and the results came in.

1955 Polio Vaccine Trial Announcement

"Safe, effective, and potent."

"With these words on April 12, 1955, Dr. Thomas Francis Jr., director of the Poliomyelitis Vaccine Evaluation Center at the University of Michigan School of Public Health, announced to the world that the Salk polio vaccine was up to 90% effective in preventing paralytic polio."


Polio had been around for quite some time. Others had tried to develop a vaccine and had failed. It was amazing work, especially for the 1950's.

Think about this. The Novel Coronavirus (Covid 19) has been around for months. Most of the scientific research began in January or February of this year. Vaccine research began in February or March of 2020. Vaccines were in Phase 1 testing in May. Vaccines were in Phase 2/3. (Very interesting how the FDA streamlined all of this.....fascinating how many normal "bureaucratic" delays were removed.....this may make future medical advances much quicker.) Early results from Phase 3 studies came out in November for two vaccines that are about 95% effective. The speed at which this has been done is incredible. Basically 10-11 months from start to finish. (Consider that we went to the Moon in 1969 with way less computer power than you have in your cell phone today.)

This pandemic WILL END. IT WILL END SOON. Much sooner than many people think. We will have multiple, HIGHLY EFFECTIVE vaccines on the market very soon. This thing will be beat. I think most "average" people who really want to get a shot, should be able to find one out there by April or so. Once we get the most vulnerable vaccinated, the death numbers should plummet. That is, by far, the most important thing. Vaccinating Healthcare Workers who have been putting their lives on the line every day, needs to happen very quickly. It will be a great event when the first "public" vaccine shot is given. (It should be given to two people at an event.... an old person who has been cooped up for months and a healthcare hero who has been working with Covid patients.) We need positive news and a positive story.

Very fascinating read:

I want to start by saying we are not anti-vaxxers. Complete opposite really. My wife is the one that got me on the flu vaccine when we met...before that I'd never had one. My wife is a healthcare worker and will presumably be offered the vaccine kinda early. She asked me the other day if I was going to take the shot and I said most definitely. Shocking to me she was undecided. She also said most people where she works were also leary of it. I think they're come to trust the process we've had for vaccine approval so this speedy version gives them pause. Pretty sure she will get it but her questioning the safety of this one surprised me.
 

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I am hopeful that the first 20 million or so courses of the two earliest vaccines, over 40 million doses, are out there in circulation in the next 4-6 weeks. If all healthcare workers (about 16 million people) and all Nursing Home Residents (about 1.5 million people) are given the vaccines first, it should help a great deal. I am hopeful/optimistic that the Astrazeneca vaccine will show positive results and get approval by mid January. The total number of people who could get vaccinated between now and the end of January could run as high as 40-50 million people. That should take a huge slice of the most vulnerable people pretty much off the table.

In my opinion, people need to see positive stories about the vaccination programs. They can't be getting doom and gloom "fake vaccine" stories every day. For this to be effective, you need needles in arms and lots of needles and lots of arms.
The vaccine is as positive as it gets. It's simply incredible just how quickly and effectively the Scientific community came together to eliminate a virus in a matter of a couple of months. The vaccines going for authorization in the next few weeks were all developed back in the Spring. I'll even give Trump credit for "warp speed" even though it was the most logical of solutions, logic escaped the administration seemingly everywhere else so I am thankful they got this right.

It doesn't change the fact that every step of the way dictatorship level propaganda, conspiracy theories and misinformation was being spewed (and still is) which killed a sheet ton of people, bankrupted many more, put stresses on our healthcare system and workers while doing harm to the economy, possibly long term damage to the countries credibility as well as possible permanent damage to the dollar. Finally, it will ultimately reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine by bolstering the anti-vax groups.

It doesn't change the fact that we are likely going to roll up about a half million deaths, a number that far exceeds any other country. It doesn't change the fact that we are ultimately spending more than pretty much the entire world combined in order to get the worst results.

I just hope the fall out isn't permanent and only lasts a couple decades.
 

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I want to start by saying we are not anti-vaxxers. Complete opposite really. My wife is the one that got me on the flu vaccine when we met...before that I'd never had one. My wife is a healthcare worker and will presumably be offered the vaccine kinda early. She asked me the other day if I was going to take the shot and I said most definitely. Shocking to me she was undecided. She also said most people where she works were also leary of it. I think they're come to trust the process we've had for vaccine approval so this speedy version gives them pause. Pretty sure she will get it but her questioning the safety of this one surprised me.
I think that many healthcare workers won't have a choice. Their employers will make getting the vaccine mandatory for keeping their jobs.
 

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I want to start by saying we are not anti-vaxxers. Complete opposite really. My wife is the one that got me on the flu vaccine when we met...before that I'd never had one. My wife is a healthcare worker and will presumably be offered the vaccine kinda early. She asked me the other day if I was going to take the shot and I said most definitely. Shocking to me she was undecided. She also said most people where she works were also leary of it. I think they're come to trust the process we've had for vaccine approval so this speedy version gives them pause. Pretty sure she will get it but her questioning the safety of this one surprised me.
As much crap as I've talked about racing to get a vaccine, I'm in the same boat. So far, the data that has been released makes the vaccine a no-brainer but until the bulk of the data is released I think anyone should reserve the right to be skeptical. Under the assumption the data that has been presented by both Pfizer and Moderna is correct and not misleading then I think any reservations about the vaccine from all but the anti-vax crowd will quickly disappear. Pfizer has been extremely honest, tempered expectations and has acted very responsible throughout but they are still a big pharma company. Moderna on the other hand has shown some sleezy tendancies along the way with the sale of stock and announcement timings. If it were just Moderna, I'd have a lot more doubt.

I'd love to depend on the FDA but the FDA has also been treated as a political toolbox by this administration and it is very difficult to trust them. I have a lot more trust in Fauci, Birx and EU.
 

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As much crap as I've talked about racing to get a vaccine, I'm in the same boat. So far, the data that has been released makes the vaccine a no-brainer but until the bulk of the data is released I think anyone should reserve the right to be skeptical. Under the assumption the data that has been presented by both Pfizer and Moderna is correct and not misleading then I think any reservations about the vaccine from all but the anti-vax crowd will quickly disappear. Pfizer has been extremely honest, tempered expectations and has acted very responsible throughout but they are still a big pharma company. Moderna on the other hand has shown some sleezy tendancies along the way with the sale of stock and announcement timings. If it were just Moderna, I'd have a lot more doubt.

I'd love to depend on the FDA but the FDA has also been treated as a political toolbox by this administration and it is very difficult to trust them. I have a lot more trust in Fauci, Birx and EU.
I listened to Fauci talk about the vaccines and he is very confident that the process is sound. He did say he wishes they had not called it "Operation Warp Speed" because it erodes confidence in the process by implying shortcuts, etc.

But FWIW he trusts the process in place to verify safety, though obviously there is no way to know possible long term effects. We will all just have to make that call for ourselves.
 

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Healthy reminder that the media often runs with stories that may be total BS if it fits the narrative or gets eyeballs/clicks.

I recall at various points over the years of my education being taught that anecdotes are patently suspect and should never be treated for anything more than what they are: one person's account of something. It doesn't mean it isn't true. But it also doesn't mean it can be extrapolated into some generally applicable fact or point.
 

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I recall at various points over the years of my education being taught that anecdotes are patently suspect and should never be treated for anything more than what they are: one person's account of something. It doesn't mean it isn't true. But it also doesn't mean it can be extrapolated into some generally applicable fact or point.
News media just can't help itself. It's became such a competitive environment that the real story comes second to fast and attention grabbing
 

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Very long read, kind of complex, but it tells the story of how mRNA vaccines came about and why it happened so fast.

The future of treatments for a whole host of diseases and ailments could be at hand in the not too distant future. MANY scientific/healthcare advances have occurred as a result of wars or were hastened because of wars. In a way, the focus on the Covid-19 virus has resulted in a warlike response from many governments and companies. Let's hope that we get positive developments overall from this that help offset some of the negative's that have occurred. (Not diminishing the negatives, they have been huge, death and economic destruction.)

"After isolating the virus from patients, Chinese scientists on Jan. 10 posted online its genetic sequence. Because companies that work with messenger RNA don’t need the virus itself to create a vaccine, just a computer that tells scientists what chemicals to put together and in what order, researchers at Moderna, BioNTech, and other companies got to work."

"Moderna and BioNTech each designed a tiny snip of genetic code that could be deployed into cells to stimulate a coronavirus immune response. The two vaccines differ in their chemical structures, how the substances are made, and how they deliver mRNA into cells. Both vaccines require two shots a few weeks apart."

"Forty-two days after the genetic code was released, Moderna’s CEO Bancel opened an email on Feb. 24 on his cellphone and smiled, as he recalled to the Globe. Up popped a photograph of a box placed inside a refrigerated truck at the Norwood plant and bound for the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in Bethesda, Md. The package held a few hundred vials, each containing the experimental vaccine."

 

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News media just can't help itself. It's became such a competitive environment that the real story comes second to fast and attention grabbing
And oftentimes when a story is found to be inaccurate, there's little if any follow up to correct it. Journalism isn't near what it used to be 10-20 years ago. I know this because I was one.
 

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I want to start by saying we are not anti-vaxxers. Complete opposite really. My wife is the one that got me on the flu vaccine when we met...before that I'd never had one. My wife is a healthcare worker and will presumably be offered the vaccine kinda early. She asked me the other day if I was going to take the shot and I said most definitely. Shocking to me she was undecided. She also said most people where she works were also leary of it. I think they're come to trust the process we've had for vaccine approval so this speedy version gives them pause. Pretty sure she will get it but her questioning the safety of this one surprised me.
I will say that I’ll probably get the vaccine
I will also say that with our first we spread out his immunization shots as long as we could
Our question was never about the science but with industry - can’t say that I always trust industry to do what’s right
 

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