COVID-19 Outbreak Information Updates (Reboot) 49,438,816 US cases, 803,186 US deaths.] (21 Viewers)

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Basically an upper respiratory infection that won't go away.
Sorry to hear. My wife and I are both getting over sinus infections/chest cold. It dawned on me that we haven’t had our seasonal “crud” since the COVID precautions started last year. I’m pretty sure I got it from a coworker and my wife got it from me.

We plan on getting our boosters in the next couple of weeks (Moderna). I’ll give a report on how we make out.
 

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Sorry to hear. My wife and I are both getting over sinus infections/chest cold. It dawned on me that we haven’t had our seasonal “crud” since the COVID precautions started last year. I’m pretty sure I got it from a coworker and my wife got it from me.

We plan on getting our boosters in the next couple of weeks (Moderna). I’ll give a report on how we make out.
Yeah there is a cold going around here. I’ve seen / heard a couple people sound sick. Good thing most folks are masked and washing their hands a lot.
 

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Of course he’s a vet..: lol

But looks interesting
 

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New variant has popped up in Africa, and it's being said to be substantially more heavily mutated than previous variants. The UK has already suspended flights to some African countries. They are really pushing how heavily mutated this one is compared to previous variants.

 

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New variant has popped up in Africa, and it's being said to be substantially more heavily mutated than previous variants. The UK has already suspended flights to some African countries. They are really pushing how heavily mutated this one is compared to previous variants.

So it looks like we'll get a new Greek code-name for it, but we're going to need more time to figure out a few things about it. As mentioned in the article - what is transmission speed compared to Delta, what is severity compared to Delta, and can it evade immune protections? I would imagine that all of these things will be figured out in the next few weeks. I'd like to know more details about the cases that have already been confirmed, but that's not much mentioned in the article.
 

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New variant has popped up in Africa, and it's being said to be substantially more heavily mutated than previous variants. The UK has already suspended flights to some African countries. They are really pushing how heavily mutated this one is compared to previous variants.


It should be noted that a high degree of mutation, stated without specifics, is a neutral thing. "Mutation", alone, does not mean "gets worse". Almost 100% of the time, a mutation doesn't affect a virus' "fitness" at all.
 

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It should be noted that a high degree of mutation, stated without specifics, is a neutral thing. "Mutation", alone, does not mean "gets worse". Almost 100% of the time, a mutation doesn't affect a virus' "fitness" at all.
A lot of mutation doesn't automatically mean: bad. It is important to know what those mutations are actually doing.

But the concern is this virus is now radically different to the original that emerged in Wuhan, China. That means vaccines, which were designed using the original strain, may not be as effective.
Some of the mutations have been seen before in other variants, which gives some insight their likely role in this variant.
For example N501Y seems to make it easier for a coronavirus to spread. There are others in there that make it harder for antibodies to recognise the virus and might make vaccines less effective, but there are others that are completely new.
Prof Richard Lessells, from the University of KwaZulu-Natal in South Africa, said: "They give us concern this virus might have enhanced transmissibility, enhanced ability to spread from person to person, but might also be able to get around parts of the immune system."
 

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It should be noted that a high degree of mutation, stated without specifics, is a neutral thing. "Mutation", alone, does not mean "gets worse". Almost 100% of the time, a mutation doesn't affect a virus' "fitness" at all.
Right, but most people don't realize that. They automatically hear the word mutation and associate it with negatives.
 

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We're not just talking some vague concept of mutation. They are concerned about the level of mutation because this is apparently a major evolutionary leap for the virus compared to previous mutations, and many of the mutations are in proteins that have specifically been recognized to be associated with transmissibility and dodging immune responses.

I get skepticism, especially after last summer's "variant crisis of the week" in the media, but the people most concerned about this from the articles I've read are researchers and scientists, many of whom have expressed shock at the degree to which this has mutated and where some of the specific mutations are, as well as how effective our current tools are against something that has changed so much from the original Wuhan variant that much of our research is based on.

Is it time for panic? No, of course not. But this does seem to be significant and many educated people are expressing concern about what it could mean.
 

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New variant has popped up in Africa, and it's being said to be substantially more heavily mutated than previous variants. The UK has already suspended flights to some African countries. They are really pushing how heavily mutated this one is compared to previous variants.


But heavily mutated is all they can say, there is actually no real information in the article. Just speculation and fear to get clicks. Seems to have worked.
 

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The new variant is literally being called “Nu”.. the one thing i didnt see in this article, unless i missed it- while it says the new variant is 40% more likely to evade the vaccine, it doesnt say whether the vaccine will still be more likely to keep you from being hospitalized or dying if you get ‘Nu’ than if you hadnt gotten the vaccine, as with the Delta variant.. again, unless i missed it.






 

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The new variant is literally being called “Nu”.. the one thing i didnt see in this article, unless i missed it- while it says the new variant is 40% more likely to evade the vaccine, it doesnt say whether the vaccine will still be more likely to keep you from being hospitalized or dying if you get ‘Nu’ than if you hadnt gotten the vaccine, as with the Delta variant.. again, unless i missed it.






Lots to still learn about it.

Scary part is it mutated more than most thought possible in a single mutation. The rest is way too early to know anything with any sort of certainty. There have only been about 100 cases identified so it's no way to know case outcomes off such a small sample size particularly with variables of vaccines and treatments in play.

Also interesting it's emerging almost exactly a year after Delta was first discovered.

The stock market futures are reacting violently to the news of this, more so than any other variant announced to date which probably isn't a good sign.
 
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The new variant is literally being called “Nu”.. the one thing i didnt see in this article, unless i missed it- while it says the new variant is 40% more likely to evade the vaccine, it doesnt say whether the vaccine will still be more likely to keep you from being hospitalized or dying if you get ‘Nu’ than if you hadnt gotten the vaccine, as with the Delta variant.. again, unless i missed it.







There's no way to know yet. This thing was just discovered and discovery lags behind transmission, so the next several days/weeks will be about compiling as much information as possible. Based on what little we know right now about where and how it has mutated, this may have the potential to be even nastier than Delta. I saw a quote from one scientist that called the number and location of the mutations in this variant "horrific." But there are lots of factors still to be determined.

Regardless, this pandemic is not close to over, no matter how much people want to believe otherwise, and people should keep an eye on this. World Health Organization is having an emergency meeting today. At the very least I'd assume we get an official designation of "Nu" out of that meeting.
 

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