COVID-19 Outbreak Information Updates (Reboot) [5.150M US cases, 165,088 US deaths.] (59 Viewers)

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The original COVID-19 Outbreak thread has been closed but is still available as a read-only thread (sticky above). The original thread had become less and less about new information and more about petty bickering. The purpose of this new thread is to link or report new information as it comes out. Try not to go off course from the topic. Those of you who had been banned from the original thread feel free to participate in this new thread. Just stay on topic. Thank you.
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Bottom line is that moving forward we simply don't want any political bickering going on within this thread, and want to try to limit this thread to being as much about sharing Covid-19 information as possible.

If you want to discuss the political aspects of Covid-19 with other SR members, you can do so here (If you are not already registered there, you will be required to do so)...
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That's fine. But everyone constantly touching the mask isn't an issue? Guess i need to just wear the mask and not question it. Keep the illusion of "doing our part" going.
It's not an illusion. It's a sound concept both scientifically and intuitively.

Touching the mask doesn't erode its function with respect to limiting virus particles from an infected person from entering the general air, or from entering a non-infected person's airway.
 
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That's fine. But everyone constantly touching the mask isn't an issue? Guess i need to just wear the mask and not question it. Keep the illusion of "doing our part" going.
It was addressed more than once, and it's been discussed extensively throughout this thread. You either haven't read the discussion, or you're deliberately ignoring the primary reason masks work and should be worn. I don’t like wearing them, but I don’t want to inadvertently spread the virus since asymptomatic people can spread it unwittingly. It's not only sensible, it's good public policy.
 

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That's fine. But everyone constantly touching the mask isn't an issue? Guess i need to just wear the mask and not question it. Keep the illusion of "doing our part" going.
I see a lot of people not wearing their masks properly... A LOT. So yes, it is a concern, but other people doing things incorrectly should not be permission for the rest of us to just give up doing things correctly. The more people that wear them properly, the better off everyone will be, including the people that don't cover their nose or wear their masks under their chins. But we need the vast percentage of people to do the right thing so that the odds increase for everyone.

Touching your mask isn't a as much of a concern as wearing it under you nose. Sure, it can increase your risk, but not as much as not wearing it properly. No one said the points you bring aren't valid, but I think most of us disagree with your conclusions. If you are the type of person that finds validation in doing things incorrectly because someone has done it poorly, then it's up to the rest of us to protect you, too. We just have to hope that more people do the right thing than give up, or we will all fail.
 

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Any of y'all have an app like this? If so, does it work? I don't like the idea of random people being able to access my phone - regardless of the stated function of the app and what data it'll have permission to access - via bluetooth.
 

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That's fine. But everyone constantly touching the mask isn't an issue? Guess i need to just wear the mask and not question it. Keep the illusion of "doing our part" going.
Still on this masks-don't-really-work-crusade? Here's a suggestion that might help ease your angst. ;)

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I just want to know how effective these ridiculous masks are. Watch people. They are touching them constantly. I know I am. A constant flow of snot, saliva, food particles, etc. And whats the number one way to prevent infection?? wash hands. simple as that. Supposedly increased cases, but everyone has a mask on now. How can that be?
Can you provide some information on medications you are taking now or have taken in the past? Please include information on absorption, mechanism of action, metabolism, half-life and route of elimination. You should know all these details without having to look anything up since you're so concerned with being told what's best for you from healthcare professionals. Thanks in advance.
 

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Mike DeWine had blazed a trail in March with his forceful response to the coronavirus pandemic, rapidly shutting down his state to protect it from the worst ravages of disease.

A month later, Ohio’s governor made what seemed, by comparison, a modest proposal: If businesses wanted to reopen, customers and employees would have to wear masks.

The backlash came instantly. An avalanche of abuse on social media. Calls from anguished citizens. Angry recriminations and threats.

The next day, a chastened DeWine backed down. Asking people to wear a mask “is offensive to some of our fellow Ohioans,” the Republican declared somberly. “And I understand that.”

It would be three months — plus tens of thousands of cases and thousands of deaths — before the governor would try again.

The mask is the simplest and among the most effective weapons against the coronavirus in the public health arsenal. Yet from the start, America’s relationship with face coverings has been deeply fraught.

Faulty guidance from health authorities, a cultural aversion to masks and a deeply polarized politics have all contributed. So has a president who resisted role modeling the benefits of face coverings, and who belittled those who did.............

 

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Essentially with the mask. If you are wearing it your germs are not massively leaving you. As you mess with your mask you are just moving your germs around. As far as a filter holding others germs in the mask, then you messing with it, it’s a much smaller possibility, and yet again is effecting only you. Now also, just because you are messing with it, it’s keeping your face on the other side of the mask, still protecting you from getting sick. Now if you mess with it that much, take it off then shove your finger up your nose, you are absolutely right it may give you Covid. However if you were exposed to that much of a viral load you would’ve gotten sick anyway.
Or as I told my niece. Fine, you don’t believe in it don’t wear it so long as the next time you have surgery, make it very clear that you don’t want the doctors, nurses, anesthesiologists to wear them while you are having surgery. Sound stupid? Yup exactly
 

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I really can't comprehend how in the middle of a raging global pandemic that we still have people arguing about wearing masks. How belligerently ignorant are we as society? It's so frustrating that I am at the point of being non-compassionate and just hoping they get exposed. I know it's terrible but this is so frustrating having these arguments and these are the people helping the spread. It's like arguing with someone about the need to wipe his @$$ after dropping a deuce. And people just vociferously arguing about why not wiping is just as good as wiping.
 

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Both the Lancet and NEJM retracted studies of their HCQ trials. Their credibility is now questionable.

I do not understand your thinking here. The Lancet paper was retracted at the request of the authors. Lancet did as requested after consulting with the authors. The authors had problems corroborating important data, specifically that they requested the company that compiled the data (Surgisphere) for explanations as to how it sourced the data and analyzed it, and they requested the raw data to go over it themselves. Surgisphere refused to comply, which is a big red flag to me and SHOULD be to you as well.

If any credibility is to be lost here, it should be placed squarely on the shoulders of Surgisphere, not the journal, and not the authors, who maintained scientific integrity, imo. Be angry with Surgisphere.

The last thing we want is for bad research getting published and leading to redirecting funding, and time, and effort down a massive rabbit hole, and of course put lives unnecessarily at risk.
 

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It was addressed more than once, and it's been discussed extensively throughout this thread. You either haven't read the discussion, or you're deliberately ignoring the primary reason masks work and should be worn. I don’t like wearing them, but I don’t want to inadvertently spread the virus since asymptomatic people can spread it unwittingly. It's not only sensible, it's good public policy.
Not to mention that at this point the science is so clear that it helps slow the spread, that wearing a mask should be common courtesy, good manners, and a show that your respect the lives of others.

And all that even ignores the fact that although it won't prevent you from getting it, it does at a minimum cut down on your viral load which may allow your body to fight off the infection or for any infection that you do get to be less severe.

So, it's a matter of both showing respect for others and yourself.

And as far as touching the mask, how hard is it to just wash or use hand sanitizer before you adjust your mask?
 

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Not to mention that at this point the science is so clear that it helps slow the spread, that wearing a mask should be common courtesy, good manners, and a show that your respect the lives of others.

And all that even ignores the fact that although it won't prevent you from getting it, it does at a minimum cut down on your viral load which may allow your body to fight off the infection or for any infection that you do get to be less severe.

So, it's a matter of both showing respect for others and yourself.

And as far as touching the mask, how hard is it to just wash or use hand sanitizer before you adjust your mask?
The mask is the butt crevasse test.

And if you're wearing it right touching it shouldn't be an issue if you're keeping your hands clean in the first place. And most masks are washable, unless they're the disposable single use ones (though you could probably wash those too if you wanted to). I really don't understand anyone who is looking for excuses not to wear a mask.
 
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Not to mention that at this point the science is so clear that it helps slow the spread, that wearing a mask should be common courtesy, good manners, and a show that your respect the lives of others.

And all that even ignores the fact that although it won't prevent you from getting it, it does at a minimum cut down on your viral load which may allow your body to fight off the infection or for any infection that you do get to be less severe.

So, it's a matter of both showing respect for others and yourself.

And as far as touching the mask, how hard is it to just wash or use hand sanitizer before you adjust your mask?
Using hand sanitizer is hard. Trust me.
 

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