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Optimus Prime said:
I thought I had read that it was determined that this was a natural virus and not engineered

I don't know how you tell the difference but apparently you can and they did

This was two or three weeks ago

I'll see if I can find the article
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The argument is not that it was engineered.

Was the lab doing tests on horseshoe bats studying the virus and escape from there?
Did China know this and cover it up? Could the spread of the virus been better contained in the early days of the spread if the government knew this information?
Were doctors told to stop publicizing information about the virus early on, including that it’s spread from human to human ?

The answers to these questions and many others would go a long way in preventing this from happening again.
 
We didn't need to he told by China that there was a problem. When did they lock down the city of Wuhan? January 23 (ish)?

They were literally welding the doors of apartment buildings to keep the people inside. We can't say that we didn't know. Just read this thread. We're not insiders or something. We're a bunch of goofs who happen to like the same football team and we knew.
 
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They're absolutely willing to let you die to protect their money.

Our society destroys its two sources of wealth. Nature, and labor.

Preventing them from qualifying for unemployment is despicable.
 
Some awesome news among the tragedy of CV19.........Anderson Cooper lost his dad when he was 10, he lost his only brother as a teenager & recently lost his mom.

But now, Anderson is a dad.....he has a new baby boy. 😍. The baby was born Monday to a wonderful & generous surrogate mom.

Life is good.......🌿🍁💐🌷🌹🥀🌺🌸🌼🌻
 
Optimus Prime said:
I thought I had read that it was determined that this was a natural virus and not engineered

I don't know how you tell the difference but apparently you can and they did

This was two or three weeks ago

I'll see if I can find the article
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At some point the origin of this needs addressed. Sure....it can be natural but was it negligence? How long have we known wet markets were a problem? Who allows wet markets and were they aware they were a problem? These are all questions that need answered. Since these effect the world now I think it's important that the world addresses these questions. We can't just pass this off as a completely natural occurrence because it's not completely natural.
 
The problem with the origins is it won’t matter one bit. No matter what is determined if the answer isn’t “China did something duplicitous” there’s a segment of the population that will keep calling for investigations and/or simply won’t accept what the investigation determines.

We’ve seen this game played over and over for the last 30 years.
 
Eeyore said:
We didn't need to he told by China that there was a problem. When did they lock down the city of Wuhan? January 23 (ish)?

They were literally welding the doors of apartment buildings to keep the people inside. We can't say that we didn't know. Just read this thread. We're not insiders or something. We're a bunch of goofs who happen to like the same football team and we knew.
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It could've been helpful for the world to know prior to China welding doors shut...way before even Saints Report knew about it.
 
flygirl said:
It could've been helpful for the world to know prior to China welding doors shut...way before even Saints Report knew about it.
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The world did know. Do you really think our intelligence agencies didn't know exactly what was going on? We have satellites looking at every inch of China and operatives on the ground all over China. The U.S. and world intelligence apparatus knew and so did every world leader including the U.S. President. They all either just didn't believe it or took the risk that it wouldn't be as harmful to them getting re-elected as shutting down their national economies.

It didn't filter down to lower level leaders like Governors, etc. But, heads of state had to know.
 
St. Widge said:
The world did know. Do you really think our intelligence agencies didn't know exactly what was going on? We have satellites looking at every inch of China and operatives on the ground all over China. The U.S. and world intelligence apparatus knew and so did every world leader including the U.S. President. They all either just didn't believe it or took the risk that it wouldn't be as harmful to them getting re-elected as shutting down their national economies.

It didn't filter down to lower level leaders like Governors, etc. But, heads of state had to know.
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I have a Google news alert set for "SARS" - it's many years old, I set it a few years after SARS (2003-2005) because I had become really interested it. It started pinging in 2012 when MERS first jumped to humans. https://saintsreport.com/threads/mers-new-sars-like-virus-spreading-and-killing.287524/

After MERS was contained, I didn't get many Google news emails about it, so I never turned it off. Every now and then a new study would come out and it would ping for a week or so, but it wasn't often. That was about from 2014 to the end of last year.

It started pinging on this virus on December 31. That was when China formally reported to the WHO a novel coronavirus infection in Wuhan. It was daily news after that and by mid-January, the Chinese outbreak had infected people abroad. The mainstream media was dropping stories about it from time to time in the first half of January, but medical and science media was on it more intensely. The virus's genome analysis was first posted for study on open-source virology sites in early January.

News and academia were on it by the first of the year, and I think there are US intelligence reports of noting activity in Wuhan relating to a viral outbreak several weeks earlier. The first travel restrictions went up in the third week of January.

There's an objective record here, and it shows just how much information was available in January, in February, and in March. It's a lot. Even this thread demonstrates a lot of it.
 
rob22278 said:
Nope. Where are the snakes, bats, cats, dogs, chickens, and pangolins in cages on top of each other waiting to be slaughtered?
False equivalency.
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The fact is that both are wet markets. But, if you don't like that one here is an article about the others in the U.S. You will probably like the source:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ny-california-call-for-ban-wet-markets-in-states-amid-coronavirus

And the fact is that they are all over the world, not just China. And of course, the places that are farther from us will have animals that we find to be more exotic. But what is exotic is really just a matter of what you are used to based on where you live. PETA, in fact has been trying to get them closed for many years. Maybe we should all just join PETA.
 
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