COVID-19 threatens to starve Africa (1 Viewer)

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The disease kills hardly anyone, you understand? Only 100000, that’s minute compared to how many people will starve
 

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It’s what I asked
You asked whether Chinese expansionism was worth it, and gmr said he wasn't qualified to answer that, then you commented about more people starving than the disease, which wasn't what he was responding to. I don't think.
 

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The disease kills hardly anyone, you understand? Only 100000, that’s minute compared to how many people will starve
This, of course, is all based on your assumption that something we are doing will in fact cause massive starvation in Africa. Which, of course, is not something that you have proven. It's just something that you assumed.
 

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I mean, even the article you cited says this:

"At the same time, obesity and noncommunicable diseases (heart disease and diabetes, for example) are rising in many low-income countries, Africa included, and both are proving to be serious complications for people infected with COVID-19. Much of the continent is also still dealing with other complex infectious diseases — HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, malaria and other neglected tropical illnesses — that will make it more difficult to treat COVID-19 infections.

As it expands on the continent, COVID-19 will put further stress on already strained health systems — with limited numbers of ventilators and proper beds, minimal personal protective equipment and, in some places, too few health care workers."

So it seems they think as COVID-19 expands in Africa, it will be worse (Read: Kill more people) in Africa than in other places.
 
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In fact, the article you cited talks about both starvation issues and how much worse COVID may be in Africa because of many factors. There is no discussion of how anything we in the U.S. or China for that matter are doing the the food chain. In fact the article says a lot of the issues with the food chain are local to Africa:

"At the same time, food supply chains are starting to falter. Lockdowns in 30 African countries have made it very challenging for farmers to sell their goods in markets or for workers to get to fields. Food assistance is not always making it to those most in need. Many informal markets — the infamous wet or open-air markets, where most Africans shop for food — are closed, further imperiling food insecurity and threatening malnutrition. Reports from the Global Alliance for Improved Nutrition’s offices in Nigeria and Mozambique note that prices of food, particularly fruits and vegetables, have increased significantly."

Then is talks about how it is hard for them to social distance:

"In many African cities, social distancing and self-isolation are a recipe for disaster. Slums and informal settlements are overcrowded and lack basic services such as running water, cooking facilities and electricity. And even if people infected with the coronavirus had safe places to isolate, some feel they must work to keep their families fed. Commutes to work often involve overfilled buses and long traffic jams — which increase the spread of disease.

With global unemployment rising, remittances worldwide are also are expected to fall — by 20 percent, or nearly $110 billion, according to the World Bank. In sub-Saharan Africa, they may drop by 23 percent. This will push more people to go to work, increasing their exposure.

To be sure, African countries have a few things working in their favor. For one, they have experience with massive infectious diseases — HIV/AIDS, Ebola and polio, to name a few — and public health systems have been strengthened over the past decade. The Democratic Republic of the Congo has been hard hit by Ebola, but there are signs of progress with a declining case load in early 2020."

Then it talks about Africa needing to take lessons from the rest of the world in and make sure to keep their food supply chain moving by using the fact that they have a lot of land and farmer to grow food:

"In the current crisis, African governments can take some early lessons from the rest of the world that has been grappling with the pandemic a month or two longer, and work to keep the food supply moving. The continent is still 60 percent rural, and many urban Africans have close ties to the countryside, owning land or family plots. With luck, lower population density in rural areas may slow the spread of COVID-19, allowing farmers to continue to grow food — that is, if they can get access to seeds and the technologies needed to plant and harvest. Support to food producers is an absolute necessity."
 

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But let’s destroy the economy, let’s destroy the food chain, let people die on a massive scale
Destroy the economy? Destroy the food chain?

Do you know what pandemics do to economies? They destroy them, regardless if you social distance or not. Sick people in the hospital, people with sick and dying family members and people watching everyone around them get sick doesn't make for good employees or consumers. See, what happens is they suddenly realize that $8/hr isn't worth dying for and a family vacation isn't in their best interest any longer. Those designer sunglasses suddenly just aren't that important. As for destroying the food chain, are there really food shortages? I thought we never shut them down? Oh that's right, we didn't. They had to shut down because employees started refusing to go to work since disease was running rampant through the meat packing plants (see how that works)?

The only way we can prevent all these problems is to go back in time, take the virus seriously in January and early February. Shut down all travel for 30 days and roll out a testing system that could handle everyone while supplying healthcare workers with PPE so we didn't spread Covid through the healthcare system and all over the country. We probably could have contained it when there were a few hundreds cases instead of a few hundred thousand. Instead, our leaders ignored the daily intelligence update warning of an imminent economic and healthcare collapse, disregarded all the research and planning Scientists and doctors worked on for decades to come up with our pandemic playbook. Our leaders flat out lied to our face at every single turn along the way and continue to do so. Our politicians were selling stock and notifying their high paying donors, family and friends to do the same while telling us the risk to Americans was low and this is some flu. Our leaders didn't even start trying to order the first PPE until March 21 on a Federal level. They still don't have a national mass testing plan, they still haven't announced a unified plan to reopen, they still haven't put plans and precautions in place for a second wave in the fall that is likely to be much worse. The FEDS are literally telling each state they are on their own when comes to PPE , and testing. Our highest levels of governments have literally taken PPE and medical equipment away from some states and given it to others, not based on need but political affiliation. Months of fake cures, false prophecy and quite frankly, comments so far beyond the stupidity level it's embarrasing. Months of division and separation at a time we all need to rally together. Don't you worry though, the White House is testing everyone there at least a couple times a week and requiring masks and gloves while having crews disinfect daily. You know, that stupid crap all of us people don't need because we would be living in fear if we did that kind of stuff.

So yeah, we're stuck between choosing between death, economic collapse and starvation because of the media. The same media companies whose stocks have been decimated by the virus. The media and China are the scapegoats for the sheople so we don't focus on the massive failure of epic proportion by the White House.

This is coming from someone that is closer to Libertarian than anything else. Every now and then, there come situations like pandemics and war where the people have to rally around a Federal Government. It's the people's job to elect capable leaders and it's the people job to protect those freedoms and reign in liberties after periods in which we have to sacrifice them. We've all failed.
 

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