Democractic Socialism - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the "Late Show" (2 Viewers)

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So, in other words:

We will use the power and force of the state to pay to take the fruits of their labor for another person's misfortunes. This is not compassion folks. It is cowardice - using the force of government to do what is not getting done by those wanting compassion. It is Robbery, using coercion or outright force and kidnapping (jail) to enforce it. Taxation at is best, it theft.

There will ALWAYS be people who are homeless. There will ALWAYS be people who need medical attention. However, getting government involved is only making it MORE expensive and those services are over-used when the person receiving those services has no liability for the cost.

Saying you have a right to health care (which is a SERVICE) implies that those who provide the service are your slaves, as they are required to provide them to you. That is the same with education or any other service. Also a RIGHT in an INTRINSIC thing. You cannot point at it. It is something you are born with. It is God-given. You have a RIGHT to have access to healthcare, but that is access - there is no right to another persons labor.

Btw... Have you seen the government housing?
 
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So, in other words:

We will use the power and force of the state to pay to take the fruits of their labor for another person's misfortunes. This is not compassion folks. It is cowardice - using the force of government to do what is not getting done by those wanting compassion. It is Robbery, using coercion or outright force and kidnapping (jail) to enforce it. Taxation at is best, it theft.

There will ALWAYS be people who are homeless. There will ALWAYS be people who need medical attention. However, getting government involved is only making it MORE expensive and those services are over-used when the person receiving those services has no liability for the cost.

Saying you have a right to health care (which is a SERVICE) implies that those who provide the service are your slaves, as they are required to provide them to you. That is the same with education or any other service. Also a RIGHT in an INTRINSIC thing. You cannot point at it. It is something you are born with. It is God-given. You have a RIGHT to have access to healthcare, but that is access - there is no right to another persons labor.

Btw... Have you seen the government housing?
Nope
Simply, it’s saying ‘do I want to spend $10 on the front end or $100 on the back end'
It’s being smarter (and less evil) with money you’re going to spend regardless
 
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I'm making this its own thread. Keep this stuff out of the humor thread.

But, it's an interesting discussion.
 

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So, in other words:

We will use the power and force of the state to pay to take the fruits of their labor for another person's misfortunes. This is not compassion folks. It is cowardice - using the force of government to do what is not getting done by those wanting compassion. It is Robbery, using coercion or outright force and kidnapping (jail) to enforce it. Taxation at is best, it theft.

There will ALWAYS be people who are homeless. There will ALWAYS be people who need medical attention. However, getting government involved is only making it MORE expensive and those services are over-used when the person receiving those services has no liability for the cost.

Saying you have a right to health care (which is a SERVICE) implies that those who provide the service are your slaves, as they are required to provide them to you. That is the same with education or any other service. Also a RIGHT in an INTRINSIC thing. You cannot point at it. It is something you are born with. It is God-given. You have a RIGHT to have access to healthcare, but that is access - there is no right to another persons labor.

Btw... Have you seen the government housing?
I'll counter with one point.

Is life saving health care a right? What responsibility do we have to preserve life?
 

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I'll counter with one point.

Is life saving health care a right? What responsibility do we have to preserve life?
moving from the US to Canada has really put in stark relief this fundamental conception of right vs. privilege, and the experience has certainly moved my understanding and definition.
 

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moving from the US to Canada has really put in stark relief this fundamental conception of right vs. privilege, and the experience has certainly moved my understanding and definition.
If you like it so much in Canada vote there and give up your right to vote in the U.S.. If it is so much better there then you should have no issue giving up your U.S. citizenship.
 

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If you like it so much in Canada vote there and give up your right to vote in the U.S.. If it is so much better there then you should have no issue giving up your U.S. citizenship.
If someone thinks Italy makes great pizza, should they be compelled to move there and renounce their citizenship?

What's wrong with making an observation?
 

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If someone thinks Italy makes great pizza, should they be compelled to move there and renounce their citizenship?

What's wrong with making an observation?
During my U.S. Navy service in Sicily in the Mid "80's I found they do make great pizza. However, I never thought life there was better than it was in the U.S.. Oye stated that life in Canada was better for him so I simply invited him to make life there his official legal residence and vote there instead of in the U.S. which by his statement he obviously doesn't like.
 

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During my U.S. Navy service in Sicily in the Mid "80's I found they do make great pizza. However, I never thought life there was better than it was in the U.S.. Oye stated that life in Canada was better for him so I simply invited him to make life there his official legal residence and vote there instead of in the U.S. which by his statement he obviously doesn't like.
No, he verbatim said that he understands the idea of health care as a right vs privilege better, now that he has experienced both.
 

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During my U.S. Navy service in Sicily in the Mid "80's I found they do make great pizza. However, I never thought life there was better than it was in the U.S.. Oye stated that life in Canada was better for him so I simply invited him to make life there his official legal residence and vote there instead of in the U.S. which by his statement he obviously doesn't like.
I think life in Canada and New Zealand, as well as in many other nations is better than it is in the US, but I’ll be god-****** if ANYONE is going to tell me “if you don’t like it then leave”

Yes, it may come to that but not before I stay and work for change that will benefit all and not just the privileged few.
 

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So, in other words:

We will use the power and force of the state to pay to take the fruits of their labor for another person's misfortunes. This is not compassion folks. It is cowardice - using the force of government to do what is not getting done by those wanting compassion. It is Robbery, using coercion or outright force and kidnapping (jail) to enforce it. Taxation at is best, it theft.

There will ALWAYS be people who are homeless. There will ALWAYS be people who need medical attention. However, getting government involved is only making it MORE expensive and those services are over-used when the person receiving those services has no liability for the cost.

Saying you have a right to health care (which is a SERVICE) implies that those who provide the service are your slaves, as they are required to provide them to you. That is the same with education or any other service. Also a RIGHT in an INTRINSIC thing. You cannot point at it. It is something you are born with. It is God-given. You have a RIGHT to have access to healthcare, but that is access - there is no right to another persons labor.

Btw... Have you seen the government housing?
Questions for you:

when a hurricane, flood, earthquake, or any other natural disaster hits, do you think the government should not intervene? Remember, disaster response includes health care, food, shelter, etc...

Which god is giving you your rights? I take it you are a Christian? There are no rights spelled out in the Bible.
 
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A question

How is it in any way good for the society as a whole, that some of its youths can't afford to learn a trade and contribute?

The way the world is today requires fewer and fewer unskilled laborers so if there is no jobs to people you would just have to pay them in another way in order for them to survive..

Better to give the young the tools to succeed and be able to contribute to society than to squander their talents due to lack of funds.
 

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During my U.S. Navy service in Sicily in the Mid "80's I found they do make great pizza. However, I never thought life there was better than it was in the U.S.. Oye stated that life in Canada was better for him so I simply invited him to make life there his official legal residence and vote there instead of in the U.S. which by his statement he obviously doesn't like.
Why can't we just work to make life better here in the US? Is it impossible to learn anything good from any other nation? Or do we Americans alone have all of the right answers?

If something is working 10 times better in another country (say, like a health care system), then why wouldn't we want to learn from that country and implement a system here in the US that would work better than what we have?

I never understand these myopic responses from the right. :jpshakehead: You're literally arguing in favor or a more expensive, less efficient system with worse health care outcomes. Who in the hell wants that?
 
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So, in other words:

We will use the power and force of the state to pay to take the fruits of their labor for another person's misfortunes. This is not compassion folks. It is cowardice - using the force of government to do what is not getting done by those wanting compassion. It is Robbery, using coercion or outright force and kidnapping (jail) to enforce it. Taxation at is best, it theft.

There will ALWAYS be people who are homeless. There will ALWAYS be people who need medical attention. However, getting government involved is only making it MORE expensive and those services are over-used when the person receiving those services has no liability for the cost.

Saying you have a right to health care (which is a SERVICE) implies that those who provide the service are your slaves, as they are required to provide them to you. That is the same with education or any other service. Also a RIGHT in an INTRINSIC thing. You cannot point at it. It is something you are born with. It is God-given. You have a RIGHT to have access to healthcare, but that is access - there is no right to another persons labor.

Btw... Have you seen the government housing?
Don't those folks who are benefitting from police protection, fire depts, roads, stabile electricity, military protection, and other 'good' things need to pay for it?

I don't think you understand the whole picture.
 

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