Democractic Socialism - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the "Late Show" (1 Viewer)

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AKA "I can't make a logical argument in support of my positions, so I'm gonna claim to be a victim and whine instead."
You do realize that you are not really contributing anything of substance either right? Just attacking.
 

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You do realize that you are not really contributing anything of substance either right? Just attacking.
It's is a contribution, just one that you don't agree with. I don't mind calling out people who whine about things that are incorrect because of their biases.

If you knew my history (which I doubt you do) you would find your statement completely incorrect. But sure, sometimes it is hard to post a meaningful critique in response to posts that are completely devoid of content.

And interestingly, you call out my response instead of the post I replied to. :unsure:
 

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It's is a contribution, just one that you don't agree with. I don't mind calling out people who whine about things that are incorrect because of their biases.

If you knew my history (which I doubt you do) you would find your statement completely incorrect. But sure, sometimes it is hard to post a meaningful critique in response to posts that are completely devoid of content.

And interestingly, you call out my response instead of the post I replied to. :unsure:
The reason I called yours out, is because there were plenty of people who were calling him out with substantive replies. Unlike yours.
 

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The reason I called yours out, is because there were plenty of people who were calling him out with substantive replies. Unlike yours.
There were three. And I didn't see you interact with any of those posts. :unsure: Two of them said the same thing I said, just with less strongly worded statements.

You didn't like my post. Huzzah! Time will tell if my posts are unsubstantive as you say or if they do bring something to the table. Again, my history supports the latter.

Welcome to the PDB.
 

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The reason I called yours out, is because there were plenty of people who were calling him out with substantive replies. Unlike yours.
Hehe. You called out V Chip.

Anyway, Omar has no questions of alligence, and to even question that shows you have no clue. She is Muslim, yes. She looks at Israel from a differing viewpoint, yes. She wears a hijab. Oh no.

What people don’t want to get when they take a surface view is that she grew up on the other end of this hostility against Islam. She grew up in the shadow of 9-11. Her experiences are very different.

Also, just this AM on google news an article just appeared that yet again the government has no idea how many kids have been taken away from their parents, no idea where they were put after they were taken away, and where exactly they are now.

Kinda clears up why some people are against DHS/ICE certainly with this garbage going on. Unless someone is really holding to the idea a person isn’t a person unless they were born on this side of a border, this has to bother someone I would think.
 

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Hehe. You called out V Chip.

Anyway, Omar has no questions of alligence, and to even question that shows you have no clue. She is Muslim, yes. She looks at Israel from a differing viewpoint, yes. She wears a hijab. Oh no.

What people don’t want to get when they take a surface view is that she grew up on the other end of this hostility against Islam. She grew up in the shadow of 9-11. Her experiences are very different.

Also, just this AM on google news an article just appeared that yet again the government has no idea how many kids have been taken away from their parents, no idea where they were put after they were taken away, and where exactly they are now.

Kinda clears up why some people are against DHS/ICE certainly with this garbage going on. Unless someone is really holding to the idea a person isn’t a person unless they were born on this side of a border, this has to bother someone I would think.
To be clear. I did not call out Omar's allegiance. Even as a white conservative I can say that DHS should go. I honestly don't see why that organization is around. Their purview is already covered by multiple government organizations. FBI, CIA, DEA already investigate and enforce the laws that DHS is supposed to. ICE in my opinion has a legitimate reason for existing. We have to have some sort of manned security at the border.
 

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No one is saying there shouldn’t be. Actually that is the whole push of the Democrats vs Trumps wall. Manpower works, walls don’t.

However, ICE has gotten way to powerful and without strong enough oversight. They have a mission, but they have taken it to an unhealthy level under this administration. If they want to disband ICE and put customs back under the customs umbrella, put immigration under immigration and border patrol back to what it was, which is essentially when they say disband ICE is what they are talking about, I’m all for it. But I get uncomfortable with any governmental power, and certainly law enforcement specifically which isn’t reined in with strong oversight.
 

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No one is saying there shouldn’t be. Actually that is the whole push of the Democrats vs Trumps wall. Manpower works, walls don’t.

However, ICE has gotten way to powerful and without strong enough oversight. They have a mission, but they have taken it to an unhealthy level under this administration. If they want to disband ICE and put customs back under the customs umbrella, put immigration under immigration and border patrol back to what it was, which is essentially when they say disband ICE is what they are talking about, I’m all for it. But I get uncomfortable with any governmental power, and certainly law enforcement specifically which isn’t reined in with strong oversight.
It seems you and I have finally found a point of agreement.

The reason why I personally agree with the wall is that it makes it harder for illegal crossings. I'm not going to say that it will eliminate it, because it won't. It will however slow down individual illegal crossings enough that border patrol has a higher chance to catch the offender. A three pronged approach to the border is what should be implemented. A wall to slow them down, technology to detect, and boots on the ground for enforcement.
 

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Before that additional manpower and better detection equipment at the ports and mail hubs which is how the majority of drugs come in. Once again no problems with that
 

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Before that additional manpower and better detection equipment at the ports and mail hubs which is how the majority of drugs come in. Once again no problems with that
I can agree with that, though I would argue that sex trafficking is the greater concern. That's why my focus is more on the border.
 

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AKA "I can't make a logical argument in support of my positions, so I'm gonna claim to be a victim and whine instead."
I would not call it whining if I am giving my opinion which I am allowed to. In my opinion both of these women are wanting the borders opened to let anyone and everyone come across. Yes, most of the people that wants to come across want the American dream. But there are some that want nothing, but to destroy our country. It was these that hit us hard on 9/11 and it is these that we need to prevent from coming in.
 

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in my opinion single payer health care won't work. California along has more people in it than Canada.i may be totally wrong but i think every person working would have to cover at least 3 people.in Canada you don't get health care if your illegal.here 70% of immigrants get some type of entitlement. this is why immigrants overrun our boarder.
if you can afford to help them out please do so.
 

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in my opinion single payer health care won't work. California along has more people in it than Canada.i may be totally wrong but i think every person working would have to cover at least 3 people.in Canada you don't get health care if your illegal.here 70% of immigrants get some type of entitlement. this is why immigrants overrun our boarder.
if you can afford to help them out please do so.
Which is why Milton Friedman said you can't have both a welfare state and open borders.
 

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in my opinion single payer health care won't work. California along has more people in it than Canada.
But the US doesn't have Canada's taxpayer base. It has the US's. So when we are talking about population, it's not just the number of people that is key - it's always so weird to me when people say, "But the US has so many more people" as if "so many more people" doesn't mean "so many more resources" (and not just monetary, but also ingenuity, technology, infrastructure, etc).

It's also weird to me how people just throw their arms up when this topic comes up - totally giving up on the idea. And many times, these are the same people who are so proud of and buy into American exceptionalism.

"Americans can do anything we put our mind to! We have brilliant minds! We have amazing technology! We have pioneered science, engineering, medicine! We put a man on the moon! America can accomplish whatever we can imagine!!!!"

"How about healthcare for everyone?"

"Nah, bruh, that's too hard."

Sorry, I don't buy it for a second.

I think it's entirely a matter of social and political will than some sort of population barrier.

And the US spends more per capita than Canada does. A few years ago, it was nearly twice the amount. And the US spends 50% more of its GDP on healthcare than Canada does. If the population criterion was so prohibitive, then I don't know how this could be the case.
 

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I would not call it whining if I am giving my opinion which I am allowed to. In my opinion both of these women are wanting the borders opened to let anyone and everyone come across. Yes, most of the people that wants to come across want the American dream. But there are some that want nothing, but to destroy our country. It was these that hit us hard on 9/11 and it is these that we need to prevent from coming in.
And your opinion is wrong. Take off the patisian glasses, spend an hour, look into what they say and their statements on record.
 

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in my opinion single payer health care won't work. California along has more people in it than Canada.i may be totally wrong but i think every person working would have to cover at least 3 people.in Canada you don't get health care if your illegal.here 70% of immigrants get some type of entitlement. this is why immigrants overrun our boarder.
if you can afford to help them out please do so.
You do realize that as a population when you add Medicare, Medicaid, state programs, drug program, and private insurance paid for by both the public and private, the US spends more per capita than any other industrialized nation don’t you? If you pool all that money, it more than pays for health care for all. Throw in some price controls and boom all of a sudden it can happen.
 

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