Democractic Socialism - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the "Late Show" (1 Viewer)

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I would not call it whining if I am giving my opinion which I am allowed to. In my opinion both of these women are wanting the borders opened to let anyone and everyone come across. Yes, most of the people that wants to come across want the American dream. But there are some that want nothing, but to destroy our country. It was these that hit us hard on 9/11 and it is these that we need to prevent from coming in.
Those that hit us hard on 9/11 had visas and came on a plane.
 

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I can agree with that, though I would argue that sex trafficking is the greater concern. That's why my focus is more on the border.
If that is the greater concern, a wall is not going to block tunnels or airplanes. You may not know this, but, traffickers fly small planes across the border which land in the middle of nowhere, and sometimes are abandoned wherever they land. And I guess by now everyone knows about the tunnels.
 

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And your opinion is wrong. Take off the patisian glasses, spend an hour, look into what they say and their statements on record.
I am not a member of any political party, so removing the non-patisian glasses will not help. My opinion being wrong is your opinion not mine.
 
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If that is the greater concern, a wall is not going to block tunnels or airplanes. You may not know this, but, traffickers fly small planes across the border which land in the middle of nowhere, and sometimes are abandoned wherever they land. And I guess by now everyone knows about the tunnels.
That's why I said that the wall will not keep all illegal crossings from happening. It's also why I said that a three pronged approach is the way to go in my opinion. With the wall and technology (I'm thinking seismic sensors for the tunneling), would slow them down to a point where border patrol has a higher likelihood of catching them and rescuing those who are being taken into sex slavery.
 

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That's why I said that the wall will not keep all illegal crossings from happening. It's also why I said that a three pronged approach is the way to go in my opinion. With the wall and technology (I'm thinking seismic sensors for the tunneling), would slow them down to a point where border patrol has a higher likelihood of catching them and rescuing those who are being taken into sex slavery.
Seismic sensors are not going to pick up people using pick axes and shovels. Human traffickers don't just walk through deserts with their merchandise. And terrorists don't cross into the U.S. from México, they fly in with visas.

The wall is nothing more than an ideal, a sort of monument, I guess. It is not going to have any of the effects constantly preached by Trump, and many, many others way before him.
 
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Seismic sensors are not going to pick up people using pick axes and shovels. Human traffickers don't just walk through deserts with their merchandise. And terrorists don't cross into the U.S. from México, they fly in with visas.

The wall is nothing more than an ideal, a sort of monument, I guess. It is not going to have any of the effects constantly preached by Trump, and many, many others way before him.
Israel would differ with you.
 

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Israel would differ with you.
Israel's barrier is only along the West Bank, where population density is mostly from 500-3000 people per square kilometer. The vast majority of the US-Mexico border has a population density of less than 5 people per square kilometer. That's a lot of money spent on a barrier -- even if it is just a fence like the majority of Israel's barrier is (and Trump said fences aren't good) -- in places where almost nobody lives or goes.
 

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And over pretty miserable terrain. Places like that drones and remote surveillance would be just as effective as the natural terrain is a better barrier anyway. I mean if it takes law enforcement an hour to get there it’s not like there’s anywhere to go anyway.
 
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Israel's barrier is only along the West Bank, where population density is mostly from 500-3000 people per square kilometer. The vast majority of the US-Mexico border has a population density of less than 5 people per square kilometer. That's a lot of money spent on a barrier -- even if it is just a fence like the majority of Israel's barrier is (and Trump said fences aren't good) -- in places where almost nobody lives or goes.
It will still work the desired affect of having more people funneled into the ports of entry, or as I said slowing them down long enough to have border security apprehend them and turn them back.
 
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And over pretty miserable terrain. Places like that drones and remote surveillance would be just as effective as the natural terrain is a better barrier anyway. I mean if it takes law enforcement an hour to get there it’s not like there’s anywhere to go anyway.
That I won’t argue. I have no problem using our natural terrain to our advantage.
 

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It will still work the desired affect of having more people funneled into the ports of entry, or as I said slowing them down long enough to have border security apprehend them and turn them back.
I completely disagree. With so few people out there, manning the wall to monitor for people attempting to cross the barrier or break it will be next to impossible. In Israel, it's easy because the barrier isn't very long and the area is densely populated enough that the barrier serves a good purpose. There's never anyone far enough away that getting past the barrier will get anyone very far. In West Texas and New Mexico, that's not the case and the costs are too high to make it worthwhile.
 

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To the ports of entry which are still underequipped, undermanned, and already burdened with trying to do to too much with too little. It’s the points of entry and shipping terminals that need to be upgraded badly. Juan and his mule aren’t hauling in near what a semi full of drugs or people can do at a port of entry. Or a giant shipping container from China.
 
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To the ports of entry which are still underequipped, undermanned, and already burdened with trying to do to too much with too little. It’s the points of entry and shipping terminals that need to be upgraded badly. Juan and his mule aren’t hauling in near what a semi full of drugs or people can do at a port of entry. Or a giant shipping container from China.
Again, I’m more concerned about the sex trafficking issue than drugs. Drugs should be legal anyway. I agree with you about ports and points of entry being upgraded though.
 

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