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Again, I’m more concerned about the sex trafficking issue than drugs. Drugs should be legal anyway. I agree with you about ports and points of entry being upgraded though.
What?????? I was just reading about a shipment that was caught with enough Fentanyl to kill 53 million Americans.

You do realize that Fentanyl is killing Americans on a daily basis & at a rapid pace, right???
 
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Wow......just wow.

You must have majored in, “Compassion for what is killing Americans at a rapid clip.”
It doesn’t kill them if they don’t willfully consume it. The compassion comes in the form of getting people who clearly have mental issues that lead to drug consumption therapy. They do, or should, have that personal liberty though.
 
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I can say from experience that fentanyl is one powerful drug. When I lost my leg I was given fentanyl after the first surgery I had when they were trying to save my foot and leg. There was about 4 or 5 days that I don’t remember thanks to fentanyl.

Sex trafficking and drug trafficking are equally important issues to me. I also think that if the house and senate can get hr 420 passed which would legalize marijuana at the federal level that would be a major blow to the cartels. I also think we need to work with the Mexican government to help create jobs in those towns close to the border. But again if I knew how to solve some of those issues I’m not sure our government wants them solved. That’s not a dig on Trump it’s a dig at our whole system as it has become.
 

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It doesn’t kill them if they don’t willfully consume it. The compassion comes in the form of getting people who clearly have mental issues that lead to drug consumption therapy. They do, or should, have that personal liberty though.
Am I misunderstanding? Are you saying that addicts have a choice and that people who start using drugs do so as some sort of mental therapy? I'm no expert by any means, but I would think that the vast majority of drug users start off recreationally and don't realize that they've become addicted. By that point, I don't think that you could argue that they are still wilfully taking the drugs to the point of overdose.
 

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There are recreational users that get in too deep. However, I’ve always kinda felt from family experience that those who truly go down the self destructive path usually have some sort of issues with depression or some other mild mental problem which the substance seems to self medicate. Just my opinion, though.
 

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There are recreational users that get in too deep. However, I’ve always kinda felt from family experience that those who truly go down the self destructive path usually have some sort of issues with depression or some other mild mental problem which the substance seems to self medicate. Just my opinion, though.
That's a good point, but my experience has been different. Mom and stepdad were both addicts, I even used to go to AA meetings with them sometimes when I was a kid. Their background is a big reason why I stayed away from any of the heavy stuff. I also have friends who have wasted their lives because of drug use and one who did end up dying from an overdose. Aside from one, I wouldn't say that any of my friends had mental issues when they began using.
 
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But again if I knew how to solve some of those issues I’m not sure our government wants them solved. That’s not a dig on Trump it’s a dig at our whole system as it has become.
strong take. and hard to argue

you reminded me of something i heard just today
there was a mayor of a 'mostly dead' italian town to an earlier wave of african immigrants
there were empty apts and empty shops, and the town offered them up
and the town rebounded (of course an anti-immigrant govt in is charge and actually charged him and now they won't let him go back to his town)

BUT, this seemed like a very viable solution for many rust belt and former company towns that are now shells of their former selves
let migrants go to these towns
 

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Wow......just wow.

You must have majored in, “Compassion for what is killing Americans at a rapid clip.”
I'm not sure how I come down exactly on total drug legalization. It's something I've gone back and forth on for over a decade.

That said, by this logic alcohol should probably still be illegal no?

As bad as fentanyl is, alcohol still causes roughly 3x more deaths per year.

Point being I think you would likely admit that death rates aren't the only thing needing to be looked at right?
 

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I'm not sure how I come down exactly on total drug legalization. It's something I've gone back and forth on for over a decade.

That said, by this logic alcohol should probably still be illegal no?

As bad as fentanyl is, alcohol still causes roughly 3x more deaths per year.

Point being I think you would likely admit that death rates aren't the only thing needing to be looked at right?
There's a number of reasons why alcohol causes more deaths. There's so much more of it and much more accessible, it's legal, it's way less stigmatized and it's way cheaper. A bottle of wine can be had for less than what it costs to get a happy meal. I'd wager if all drugs were legalized that gap would close a bit.
 

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I'm not sure how I come down exactly on total drug legalization. It's something I've gone back and forth on for over a decade.

That said, by this logic alcohol should probably still be illegal no?

As bad as fentanyl is, alcohol still causes roughly 3x more deaths per year.

Point being I think you would likely admit that death rates aren't the only thing needing to be looked at right?
Great points, but with alcohol, you know exactly what you are getting. The ingredients have been known for a thousand years.

With the street drugs today you have no idea what you are getting, & I am sick of reading about all of these kids that have barely started their lives & BOOM they buy some garbage, believing that they know what it is & surprise! It is laced with Fentanyl & they are dead in no time flat.

I love Prince's music. He had chronic hip & back pain from jumping off of risers forever. He thought he was taking a pain pill & BOOM he is dead on the floor of an elevator. Just because some giant turd of a human being put Fentanyl in the medicine.
 

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It doesn’t kill them if they don’t willfully consume it. The compassion comes in the form of getting people who clearly have mental issues that lead to drug consumption therapy. They do, or should, have that personal liberty though.
Do yourself a favor & google the Pathology of Addiction. NIH has studied this forever & your view is very myopic.
 

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Great points, but with alcohol, you know exactly what you are getting. The ingredients have been known for a thousand years.
See, that hasn't always been the case. Alcoholic beverages did not become consistent and a legitimate product until it was legalized and regulated. For example, before being "bottled in bond" bourbon contain all sorts of unnatural and nasty things.
 

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