Derek Carr world tour thread (updated with combine visits) (5 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

Stafford won a Super Bowl on the Rams….5000 yard passer. The body of work says that they aren’t close

With a loaded offense and a stacked D and DC had a 4800yd passing yr . Much closer than you are portraying

 

[Saint Spud]

By what quantifiable measure is Derek Carr a better QB than Matthew Stafford, unless hopes and dreams has somehow become objective?

Career QB rating for one.

But don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant

 

[Rexman100]

As a Raider fan I have watched Carr`s every snap the last 9 years. Below is a BR college scout report on Derek Carr and I can honestly tell you it is still dead on today:

• Footwork needs improvement; he often retreats from pressure and throws off his back foot. Needs to step into his throws more consistently.
• Poor decision-making under duress.
• Average pocket presence with wavering poise and unrefined pocket movement.
• Stares down his intended target. He needs to improve eye discipline.
• Too often appears to be flustered by pressure. Can be quick to flee the pocket.
• Inconsistent mechanics, has a tendency to lock his lower half and throw with his arm alone.
• Struggles when his receivers’ routes are disrupted.
• Often late to recognize the blitz. (this one doesnt apply)
• Operated almost exclusively out of shotgun with four or five receiver sets.
• Not an anticipatory thrower.
• Will not hurt defenses on the ground. He has enough mobility to get by but is not much of a running threat.
• Hangs his receivers out to dry at times.
• Does not appear to see the field very well, throwing into double-teams occasionally.
• Struggled with top competition. College career ended on a lousy note as he was erratic

I would add: Horrible PA fakes, almost non existent........ and plays poorly in cold weather

In Raider forums the last 9 years, there are always Carr fans saying, "Carr just needs...." the excuses are endless.

The most frustrating part is he physically has all the tools to be great but he lacks the mental toughness to override his fear of contact. He has zero pocket awareness and more than once fumbles the ball before actual contact in self preservation. He rarely hits a receiver in stride (see bullet point 10)

At best, he can be a mediocre game manager as long as his salary is consistent with that.

At worst, a $40 million/yr liability that needs a top 3 surrounding cast everywhere around him so he can be carried.

Good luck

PS: If Carr ends up here, you also adopt his dysfunction brothers Darren and David and the Ca Central Valley Carrdashians/Carrsaders that will infiltrate your forums

Yea this sounds like a 35K passing yards and multiple Pro bowl Qb. What fans say when their GF leaves them. ”you know, I didn’t like her anyway”.

 

[Big_L]

Carr is going somewhere else. It is what it is.

 

[No2DC]

I agree, people need to go back and look at our Super Bowl roster. We did not have the greatest roster, more like average. https://www.nosaintshistory.com/new-orleans-saints-2009-nfl-season-team-roster/

My point is, that you don’t need the best roster in the game to win a Super Bowl.
On offense, What we did have in 2009, was an elite QB with average WRs and RBs. An above average line, but we didn’t require it to be the best because of Drew Bree’s quick release. Shockey was a good Te.

On defense, what made us great was the scheme. Talent-wise, we had an average D. If you recall, we blizted on every play because we couldn't get pressure with 4. On the back end, Darren Sharper was elite, as he was the sole benefactor of the errant balls forced out early. The LB‘s were average as was the line.

The bottom line in 2009, we had a great QB and a great scheme to fit his skill set. We were a chance taking overly aggressive D. This is all we needed to win a Superbowl.

So, punting for 3 years to overcome the dead cap is pure madness. Also telling a bunch of vets that the answers to their prayers lie wit a rookie college football QB that has never played a down of professional FB.

Currently, we have the scheme and most of the building blocks for an elite D. We have a legit shut down all-world CB in Latt and an up and comer in Alonte Taylor. (The best CB in Saints history by a long shot). We have good experienced safety’s in Mattieu and Maye. On the edge we have the best leader the Saints have ever had on D, with C Jordan. Solid DTs with Oya, Roach and Street, and Payton Turner in case we lose Dav. At LB, we have a great vet with Dd and up and coming youth in Ellis and Werner.

On offense we’re missing at least a Good /great QB. We have a young but great Wr in OLave and another young up-and-comer in Shaheed, and a couple average to decent vets. A promising TE In JJ. At RB, Hill and Kamara, but we’ll need depth. If Penning catches up we‘d potentially have a great Oline considering the emergence of Ruiz and pro bowlers McCoy and Ram. So if you look at the team closely, we’re only a good QB away. As it stands right now, without a QB, we have a better overall roster than 2009.

I disagree, we are missing a good coach. This idea that Allen has what it takes to be a good coach is who is somehow Bill Bellick after four losing seasons and a career 28% winning rate will not get us to the big game.

 

[webster]

Carr has had some good lines and was still mediocre. At one point the Raiders spent nearly 80% of their payroll on the offensive side of the ball and Carr was still pedestrian. Jacobs just had a career season behind that line. Typically Carr and the Raiders have moved the ball fairly well between the 20`s but their RZ TD numbers have been mediocre/low. Carr has had the weapons with Jacobs, Waller, Renfrow and Adams and others.....but........

Remember last season Saints vs Raiders when the Raiders never crossed midfield? Until Stidham relieved Carr and moved the ball nicely in his first possession....

Carr is no longer a Raider and I have no dog in this hunt but I'm telling you, some pundits can pull some stats that paint a pretty picture of Carr while most of us Raider fans have watched his every snap and are thrilled he is gone. He is the very definition of QB purgatory.......good enough to win a few games and keep his job but not good enough to carry a team and win the big games.

I like Carr but I have to agree with you. If we can’t get him cheap, I would rather spend the money elsewhere and stick with Dalton.

 

[Big_L]

I like Carr but I have to agree with you. If we can’t get him cheap, I would rather spend the money elsewhere and stick with Dalton.

Nah, Dalton needs to go. I'd rather toss a rookie QB out there at this point.

 

[Rouxble]

FWIW, PFF is predicting Carr to the Saints. Other interesting Saints-related predictions:

-Davenport to the Chiefs
-CJGJ to the Bengals
-Thomas to the Chiefs

I could easily see all three (or four) of those happening.

 

[DaFranchise80]

Nah, Dalton needs to go. I'd rather toss a rookie QB out there at this point.

I agree. I’ve seen enough of Dalton.

 

[Rexman100]

I disagree, we are missing a good coach. This idea that Allen has what it takes to be a good coach is who is somehow Bill Bellick after four losing seasons and a career 28% winning rate will not get us to the big game.

The rule of thumb is that best coaches in the league are .500 without an elite QB. We are slightly under .500 at 8-9 If Ingram doesn’t go out of bounds. The great SP was slightly better than .500 with a 9-8 record, with the exact same team. Expecting DA to win the Super Bowl or go far into the playoffs with the QBs he had going into this season is ridiculous. ML knew this, which is why they went all in on Watson. Had DA been a terrible coach, our D would suck and we wouldn’t have won a single game this season. IMO, at this point, Da is at least good enough to win if he has a good/great QB. If your case is based off of his stint in Oak, then you'd have to admit that he has improved. However, Da has yet to prove that he can make the playoffs with a good QB. And SP also still has to prove he can make the playoffs without DB. The common dominator is a good/great QB. You must have one or you’re .500 like Belichick has been without TB12.

 

[No2DC]

The rule of thumb is that best coaches in the league are .500 without an elite QB. We are slightly under .500 at 8-9 If Ingram doesn’t go out of bounds. The great SP was slightly better than .500 with a 9-8 record, with the exact same team. Expecting DA to win the Super Bowl or go far into the playoffs with the QBs he had going into this season is ridiculous. ML knew this, which is why they went all in on Watson. Had DA been a terrible coach, our D would suck and we wouldn’t have won a single game this season. IMO, at this point, Da is at least good enough to win if he has a good/great QB. If your case is based off of his stint in Oak, then you'd have to admit that he has improved. However, Da has yet to prove that he can make the playoffs with a good QB. And SP also still has to prove he can make the playoffs without DB. The common dominator is a good/great QB. You must have one or you’re .500 like Belichick has been without TB12.

Sean proved he could have a winning record w/o Drew already, Allen, not really.

 

[Rexman100]

Sean proved he could have a winning record w/o Drew already, Allen, not really.

Both failed to make the playoffs, not impressed. It just further proves how One good QB can make a team.

 

[nakadish]

Sean proved he could have a winning record w/o Drew already, Allen, not really.

9-8? Meh! Still mediocre. Which is the criticism people have of Allen, right? So, if Payton's last year without Drew was mediocre, and DA's first year is mediocre, that would seem to suggest something.

 

[SaintStephen1]

No way Michael Thomas to Chiefs. They want speed at WR.

 

[Mamba]

If you’re a first ballot HoF-caliber QB, you shouldn’t have to go to New York to actually become one.