Derek Carr world tour thread (updated with combine visits) (4 Viewers)

[sammymvpknight]

I firmly disagree with this notion, it's a tiresome trope hauled out by folks who think Brees is the end all be all (and I love DB).....

Armstead, Ram, Evans, Nicks, Colston, PT, Lance Moore and others were good to great players in their own right, they would have been wherever they wound up.....

They can be great and Brees can be great also, the combination of both obviously was great.....all of this can be true....

Lol. You do realize that you essentially repeated what I said?

 

[sfidc3]

You're really comparing Allen to Sean, Wow. Allen has never had a winning season, Sean has a ring and several division titles. Just Wow.

He also said our roster right now (which is incomplete and will change likely significantly from.....right now until the start of the season) is better (sans QB) than the 2009 roster that won a SB.....

That is enough for me to not take any post of his....seriously.....

 

[Judge_Smails]

HA....you're right. I figured they had more time together given the previously established relationship argument.

Buuut they like, really bonded bro.

 

[sfidc3]

Lol. You do realize that you essentially repeated what I said?

Not really, Brees didn't make them great, they made each other great....it's a team game....Prime example, Colston took a ton of big hits over the middle that most WR's couldn't handle....

 

[No2DC]

He had Carr for four whole games in Carr’s rookie season.

Yep, then he was fired for starting 0-4 for his 3rd consecutive losing season

 

[No2DC]

And, it was Oakland. Not the best franchise for any HC. Especially one who had only been a DC for what? 2 years? Even if DA is a good DC, that was a pretty stupid hire by Oakland.

What I'm curious about is what kind of offseason DA has. DA inherited a team with a lot of holes, and he needs to build the talent up to be successful. And, he actually did a pretty good job of that. Last year's draft was pretty good. I'm anxious to see if he can duplicate that this year. The draft and FA this season will go a long way to tell whether the Saints are ascending under Allen or not.

They had better records before and after Allen. Why do you ignore that?

 

[Saint Spud]

Yep, then he was fired for starting 0-4 for his 3rd consecutive losing season

Yes. Everyone is aware.

 

[silverbullet]

As a Raider fan I have watched Carr`s every snap the last 9 years. Below is a BR college scout report on Derek Carr and I can honestly tell you it is still dead on today:

• Footwork needs improvement; he often retreats from pressure and throws off his back foot. Needs to step into his throws more consistently.
• Poor decision-making under duress.
• Average pocket presence with wavering poise and unrefined pocket movement.
• Stares down his intended target. He needs to improve eye discipline.
• Too often appears to be flustered by pressure. Can be quick to flee the pocket.
• Inconsistent mechanics, has a tendency to lock his lower half and throw with his arm alone.
• Struggles when his receivers’ routes are disrupted.
• Often late to recognize the blitz. (this one doesnt apply)
• Operated almost exclusively out of shotgun with four or five receiver sets.
• Not an anticipatory thrower.
• Will not hurt defenses on the ground. He has enough mobility to get by but is not much of a running threat.
• Hangs his receivers out to dry at times.
• Does not appear to see the field very well, throwing into double-teams occasionally.
• Struggled with top competition. College career ended on a lousy note as he was erratic

I would add: Horrible PA fakes, almost non existent........ and plays poorly in cold weather

In Raider forums the last 9 years, there are always Carr fans saying, "Carr just needs...." the excuses are endless.

The most frustrating part is he physically has all the tools to be great but he lacks the mental toughness to override his fear of contact. He has zero pocket awareness and more than once fumbles the ball before actual contact in self preservation. He rarely hits a receiver in stride (see bullet point 10)

At best, he can be a mediocre game manager as long as his salary is consistent with that.

At worst, a $40 million/yr liability that needs a top 3 surrounding cast everywhere around him so he can be carried.

Good luck

PS: If Carr ends up here, you also adopt his dysfunction brothers Darren and David and the Ca Central Valley Carrdashians/Carrsaders that will infiltrate your forums

Nailed it.

 

[sammymvpknight]

Not really, Brees didn't make them great, they made each other great....it's a team game....Prime example, Colston took a ton of big hits over the middle that most WR's couldn't handle....

He made them better. They wouldn’t have had the same level of success without Brees. We are seeing that play out as Ramczyk has had the two worst seasons of his career the past two seasons. Still a very good player, but of course adds something

 

[jdpower13]

As a Raider fan I have watched Carr`s every snap the last 9 years. Below is a BR college scout report on Derek Carr and I can honestly tell you it is still dead on today:

• Footwork needs improvement; he often retreats from pressure and throws off his back foot. Needs to step into his throws more consistently.
• Poor decision-making under duress.
• Average pocket presence with wavering poise and unrefined pocket movement.
• Stares down his intended target. He needs to improve eye discipline.
• Too often appears to be flustered by pressure. Can be quick to flee the pocket.
• Inconsistent mechanics, has a tendency to lock his lower half and throw with his arm alone.
• Struggles when his receivers’ routes are disrupted.
• Often late to recognize the blitz. (this one doesnt apply)
• Operated almost exclusively out of shotgun with four or five receiver sets.
• Not an anticipatory thrower.
• Will not hurt defenses on the ground. He has enough mobility to get by but is not much of a running threat.
• Hangs his receivers out to dry at times.
• Does not appear to see the field very well, throwing into double-teams occasionally.
• Struggled with top competition. College career ended on a lousy note as he was erratic

I would add: Horrible PA fakes, almost non existent........ and plays poorly in cold weather

In Raider forums the last 9 years, there are always Carr fans saying, "Carr just needs...." the excuses are endless.

The most frustrating part is he physically has all the tools to be great but he lacks the mental toughness to override his fear of contact. He has zero pocket awareness and more than once fumbles the ball before actual contact in self preservation. He rarely hits a receiver in stride (see bullet point 10)

At best, he can be a mediocre game manager as long as his salary is consistent with that.

At worst, a $40 million/yr liability that needs a top 3 surrounding cast everywhere around him so he can be carried.

Good luck

PS: If Carr ends up here, you also adopt his dysfunction brothers Darren and David and the Ca Central Valley Carrdashians/Carrsaders that will infiltrate your forums

So he has absolutely no strengths? That report seems biased. What about arm talent, leadership, being clutch?

 

[SWJJ]

They had better records before and after Allen. Why do you ignore that?

I don't think most people realize how sheetty of a hand DA was dealt in Oakland. Yes, the 2011 raiders had an 8-8 record, but in 2011 Al Davis died and Mark Davis took over the team, and Mark hired Reggie McKenzie and gave him full autonomy over football operations. the whole coaching staff was fired, and Allen had to basically start from scratch. they had traded away draft picks (for Carson Palmer the year before), so they did not have a first or second rounder and had to trade some players to get back the 3rd and 4th rounders they had already traded away. Had no money to spend in free agency.

You probably would not even recognize the names of anyone McKenzie drafted that season.
Despite Palmer playing well in 2012 for the rookie HC (61% completions, 4K yards, 22TDs, 14ints) the raiders traded Palmer to the Cardinals for a 6th round pick.

If as a head coach you have a GM giving up a 1st and 2nd rounder to play 2 seasons, and trade that player for a 6th rounder, you will struggle to be successful.


So in 2013 the only QB they had left was Terrelle Pryor. they sent a 5th pick to the Seahawks to get newly disappointed QB Matt Flynn. They had the number 3 draft pick, but traded down to number 12 to regain a second they had traded away. They used the 12th pick to draft D J Hayden, who never developed into a starting quality player, and the second-round pick to draft Menelik Watson who washed out of the league after 4 injury plagued seasons.

Pryor got hurt and they had brought in Matt Flynn, and he played as poorly for Oakland as he did for Seattle. So, they Benched him and played Rookie UDFA QB McGloin.

Finally in 2014 Allen got a good qb, they drafted Carr in the 2nd round.
However the rookie QB was off to a slow start and they opened 0-4 and Allen got fired.

He struggled with having quality personnel. No head coach can overcome poor GM performance that results in a team that lacks talent.

McKenzie eventually ends up fired by the Raiders in 2018, and then Gruden was allowed authority over the whole team.
IMHO the raiders success under Gruden was more to do with the removal of McKenzie than it was the firing of Allen.

 

[meily]

I know he went to Texas A&M, but had no idea Allen had risen to the ranks of admiral. That's incredible!

 

[jahsoul357]

He made them better. They wouldn’t have had the same level of success without Brees. We are seeing that play out as Ramczyk has had the two worst seasons of his career the past two seasons. Still a very good player, but of course adds something

His knee issues doesn't have anything to do with his level of play?

 

[DaveXA]

HA....you're right. I figured they had more time together given the previously established relationship argument.

I do think it was more because Allen was behind getting him drafted than anything else.

 

[JackDiesel]

With Rodgers emerging from the darkness maybe we'll start to see some movement. Jets told Carr they think he has hall of Fame potential with them but apparently they want to wait and see what a 39 year old QB they'll have to trade for is doing. That franchise is a mess.