Derek Carr world tour thread (updated with combine visits) (1 Viewer)

[sfidc3]

Outside of cap concerns, I fear signing Carr will limit our next coaches' options if he wants to go in a different direction.

I don't disagree.....and I don't have anything against Carr, he maybe way better than expected but I'm not sure with our current coaching staff that he will be able to prove that....

 

[MikeyF]

I agree with others who have said we probably don’t have to match the best offer because of fit and relationships, but we also aren’t getting away with paying a huge discount to whatever market he finds out there.

I agree with you but I think the Jets are going to go all in with a big offer.

Not so much as a huge discount...just less than the Jets offer.

 

[No2DC]

I agree with you but I think the Jets are going to go all in with a big offer.

Not so much as a huge discount...just less than the Jets offer.

The Jets' coach probably thinks this is as critical to his future as DA.

 

[Saint Jack]

The Jets are a QB away? In what universe? They are, at best, an average team with a good defense, their offensive line is very average, their run game is terrible....among the worst in the NFL....



Yup, neither do I....the Jets are a team the national media hypes at any chance, same with the Cowboys, they so want them to be relevant....but they hardly ever are.....

It’s almost hilarious how they dismiss the 50 plus years of Jets futility.

 

[Mojomajik9]

I still get the feeling, just from looking around at Jets media, that Rodgers is their main target and I’ve even seen hints at them trying to get Lamar if a deal with Rodgers falls through. They could just be doing their due diligence with Carr as well but how will he feel knowing he’s plan C? Especially after his departure from the Raiders.

So, I do still believe the Saints have a great shot to sign him. His relationship with DA helps, he gets to play in a dome, in an offense that’ll allow him to change plays etc. of course money counts and if the Jets or another team throws open the checkbook you never know. I wish we had a better backup plan, but right now it looks like either Carr or Dalton/rookie are our options.

 

[Saint Jack]

I still get the feeling, just from looking around at Jets media, that Rodgers is their main target and I’ve even seen hints at them trying to get Lamar if a deal with Rodgers falls through. They could just be doing their due diligence with Carr as well but how will he feel knowing he’s plan C? Especially after his departure from the Raiders.

So, I do still believe the Saints have a great shot to sign him. His relationship with DA helps, he gets to play in a dome, in an offense that’ll allow him to change plays etc. of course money counts and if the Jets or another team throws open the checkbook you never know. I wish we had a better backup plan, but right now it looks like either Carr or Dalton/rookie are our options.

I keep saying this, but don’t underestimate their inferiority complex they have with the Giants.
They gonna bet everything on Rodgers.

 

[J.T.]

I know many people refuse to consider taxes when this issue comes up, but let's make some basic assumptions (they are not true, but close) and assume that a QB makes, on average $40 million per year over 3 years. That is $120 million. Now lets assume that player pays all of his taxes in the state in which his team is based. (Doesn't happen this way, but just assume it as fact.)

Player signs in New Jersey, State Income Tax is 10.75%, so player pays $21 million in State Income Taxes over the life of the contract. (I know it is less because his per game salary is taxed where he plays and NJ has an extremely high state income tax rate, but this is the simplified version.)

Player signs in Louisiana, State Income Tax is 4.25%, so player pays $5.1 million in state income taxes over 3 years. (North Carolina is close to Louisiana and is at 4.99%)

Player signs in Florida, zero state income tax, player pays zero state income tax. (I know he will pay tax on game checks on away games, but this sort of averages out in most situations. I also think signing and roster bonuses are paid and taxed in the home state of the team.)

You have to think that at some point taxes come into play for some players and agents. The difference between New Jersey Jets and Tampa Bay Buccaneers is at least $15 million over three years, and potentially higher. That's some pretty serious money there and averages about $5 million per year. Louisiana is maybe about $3.5-4 million a year "better" than New Jersey.

What I am getting at, if Jets made offer of $40 million/year, Saints could pay $37 million and Tampa could pay $35 million/year and Carr would be about in the same financial boat. (I assume any contract would be very heavily weighed towards bonuses and that is probably taxed my the home state, so per game check varying taxes does not play a huge part.)

 

[Albi]

The Jets are a QB away? In what universe? They are, at best, an average team with a good defense, their offensive line is very average, their run game is terrible....among the worst in the NFL....



Yup, neither do I....the Jets are a team the national media hypes at any chance, same with the Cowboys, they so want them to be relevant....but they hardly ever are.....

The Jets have one the best young running backs in the league. They were going to make the playoffs, before he went down. Hall was averaging almost 6 yards per carry, which is All-Pro numbers. Once he got injured, their whole season changed.

They’re a literally a QB away from being a solid team. I’ve wouldn’t be shocked if Carr went there too.

 

[Saint Spud]

The Jets have one the best young running backs in the league. They were going to make the playoffs, before he went down. Hall was averaging almost 6 yards per carry, which is All-Pro numbers. Once he got injured, their whole season changed.

They’re a literally a QB away from being a solid team. I’ve wouldn’t be shocked if Carr went there too.

A “solid team?” Sure. The Dolphins and Patriots are also solid and the Bills are better than solid. As are the Chiefs and Bengals. And then there are other solid teams like Jacksonville, LAC, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, etc.

Point is that being “solid” in the AFC might get your a WC berth and a date in KC or Cincinnati in the first round. While being “solid” in the NFC South gets you a division title and a home playoff game. Plus fewer solid overall teams if you get past that.

 

[No2DC]

I know many people refuse to consider taxes when this issue comes up, but let's make some basic assumptions (they are not true, but close) and assume that a QB makes, on average $40 million per year over 3 years. That is $120 million. Now lets assume that player pays all of his taxes in the state in which his team is based. (Doesn't happen this way, but just assume it as fact.)

Player signs in New Jersey, State Income Tax is 10.75%, so player pays $21 million in State Income Taxes over the life of the contract. (I know it is less because his per game salary is taxed where he plays and NJ has an extremely high state income tax rate, but this is the simplified version.)

Player signs in Louisiana, State Income Tax is 4.25%, so player pays $5.1 million in state income taxes over 3 years. (North Carolina is close to Louisiana and is at 4.99%)

Player signs in Florida, zero state income tax, player pays zero state income tax. (I know he will pay tax on game checks on away games, but this sort of averages out in most situations. I also think signing and roster bonuses are paid and taxed in the home state of the team.)

You have to think that at some point taxes come into play for some players and agents. The difference between New Jersey Jets and Tampa Bay Buccaneers is at least $15 million over three years, and potentially higher. That's some pretty serious money there and averages about $5 million per year. Louisiana is maybe about $3.5-4 million a year "better" than New Jersey.

What I am getting at, if Jets made offer of $40 million/year, Saints could pay $37 million and Tampa could pay $35 million/year and Carr would be about in the same financial boat. (I assume any contract would be very heavily weighed towards bonuses and that is probably taxed my the home state, so per game check varying taxes does not play a huge part.)

You really think players make team decisions based on state taxes? I think it's a bonus if you choose a state with lower taxes but not a primary reason. Also, the potential ad revenue in that market trumps everywhere but La.

 

[Saint Jack]

You really think players make team decisions based on state taxes? I think it's a bonus if you choose a state with lower taxes but not a primary reason. Also, the potential ad revenue in that market trumps everywhere but La.

In 1980 you can make that argument. Heck you could still make the argument probably into the middle 00s.
But this is a streaming age. A post Sunday ticket era. No one is hindered by playing in a small market.
Patrick Mahomes is getting every ad and sponsorship while becoming the League’s face while playing in Middle America.
Same for Burrow in Cincinnati.

 

[No2DC]

In 1980 you can make that argument. Heck you could still make the argument probably into the middle 00s.
But this is a streaming age. A post Sunday ticket era. No one is hindered by playing in a small market.
Patrick Mahomes is getting every ad and sponsorship while becoming the League’s face while playing in Middle America.
Same for Burrow in Cincinnati.

I wasn't talking about playing in a small market or the ability to get a state farm commercial. I'm referring to the revenue you get from local commercials in the Tri-state area, like a local car dealership in Jersey or Connecticut. It's more potential money that negates any tax argument, 15 mil people versus less than 5 in southern Louisiana.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I know many people refuse to consider taxes when this issue comes up, but let's make some basic assumptions (they are not true, but close) and assume that a QB makes, on average $40 million per year over 3 years. That is $120 million. Now lets assume that player pays all of his taxes in the state in which his team is based. (Doesn't happen this way, but just assume it as fact.)

Player signs in New Jersey, State Income Tax is 10.75%, so player pays $21 million in State Income Taxes over the life of the contract. (I know it is less because his per game salary is taxed where he plays and NJ has an extremely high state income tax rate, but this is the simplified version.)

Player signs in Louisiana, State Income Tax is 4.25%, so player pays $5.1 million in state income taxes over 3 years. (North Carolina is close to Louisiana and is at 4.99%)

Player signs in Florida, zero state income tax, player pays zero state income tax. (I know he will pay tax on game checks on away games, but this sort of averages out in most situations. I also think signing and roster bonuses are paid and taxed in the home state of the team.)

You have to think that at some point taxes come into play for some players and agents. The difference between New Jersey Jets and Tampa Bay Buccaneers is at least $15 million over three years, and potentially higher. That's some pretty serious money there and averages about $5 million per year. Louisiana is maybe about $3.5-4 million a year "better" than New Jersey.

What I am getting at, if Jets made offer of $40 million/year, Saints could pay $37 million and Tampa could pay $35 million/year and Carr would be about in the same financial boat. (I assume any contract would be very heavily weighed towards bonuses and that is probably taxed my the home state, so per game check varying taxes does not play a huge part.)

That’s the kind of argument the Ravens are giving Lamar Jackson

“we can pay you less because your take home is the same as bigger QB deals because they have to pay an agent’s percentage”

 

[J.T.]

You really think players make team decisions based on state taxes? I think it's a bonus if you choose a state with lower taxes but not a primary reason. Also, the potential ad revenue in that market trumps everywhere but La.

Yes, some players look at taxes, or their advisors look at taxes and advise the players. (I know many people on this board refuse to believe that it matters at all, but I bet that some players take that into consideration sometimes.) They also sometimes take into consideration, weather, cost of living in a new city, recreational opportunities, etc., and some look at moving closer to their hometown and family. It is not ALL about the most money for some players. Some players look at the quality of the roster and divisional opponents.

I don't think players make team decisions solely on the basis of state income tax, that would not make sense, but I do think "some" players might consider it along with all of the other factors that go into changing teams and locations. I think some look at housing options also when changing teams and locations, but they don't just look at housing. Some players might look at JUST the absolute most money on a contract and nothing else.

 

[J.T.]

That’s the kind of argument the Ravens are giving Lamar Jackson

“we can pay you less because your take home is the same as bigger QB deals because they have to pay an agent’s percentage”

The highest fee an NFL agent can charge is 3%. My guess is that on extremely high dollar and high profile contracts there are agents who might take less than 3%. I would wager that if Lamar Jackson went to the top three NFL agents and said.....I will let you handle my contract for 2%, he would get one to bite.