Derek Carr world tour thread (updated with combine visits) (3 Viewers)

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sfidc3 said:
No one is saying "SB or bust" that is just dumb.....I think most feel that with CSP just about every year you felt we would make the playoffs....make the playoffs and you have a chance to get there.....with this coaching staff I feel zero confidence that we have a chance at a winning record much less the playoffs....

That "outside of 2009" line is precious....
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Would you feel comfortable with Payton coaching the Saints this past season? I wouldn't. And if Payton was coaching last season, they likely wouldn't have drafted Olave so it might have been even worse. Payton even said either before or after the draft that he didn't see a need to draft a receiver high in the draft for the Saints. Could you imagine this past season without Olave, with any coach?

What about 2021? Were you comfortable then? Payton or no Payton, the Saints don't have a Superbowl roster, and trying to hold DA to that level without the horses to do that is unreasonable. The Saints have a .500 roster right now with or without Payton. DA may or may not be a good HC, but blaming DA for the Saints being mediocre with the current roster is absurd.

And, I fail to see how this is a lot different from early in Payton's tenure where he had a good offense and a bad defense. DA has the opposite. The defense is good. Just fix the offense. I don't see how that's a lot different except that they don't have a veteran future HOF QB. If Payton had missed out on Brees and drafted Leinart, he would be an OC somewhere. Carr answers a lot of questions, one way or the other.
 
https 1://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2023/what-does-derek-carr-really-have-left

For whtever its worth, here is Footballoutsiders take on Carr. While his ceiling is low, his floor is also higher than rolling the dice on a draft pick... yhough at the right slot, I do like the kid from Tennessee.
 
SonOfNOLA said:
The fact that everything the Jets told Carr personally is leaking out in media outlets like that sounds like they or their media don’t actually believe he will sign with them. Looks like sideshow tactics with all that hype than legitimate pursuit. I don’t think a pro team in NY of all places has to put all of that out there to sign a QB if it’s legit.
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It’s the Jets. They overcompensate because they gotta deal with the Giants and their four Lombardis in the same stadium.
 
If Carr goes to the Jets, he's not serious about winning, he's just another QB that hit the market at the beginning of the end and chased the bag. Now I don't have an issue with guys getting paid but the Jets have been one of the most dysfunctional organizations in a long time. They just drafted a QB with a high pick and are already moving on to either signing him or bringing in a 39 year old guy who might be the most hated QB in the league by everyone.
 
EGLSShin said:
If Carr goes to the Jets, he's not serious about winning, he's just another QB that hit the market at the beginning of the end and chased the bag. Now I don't have an issue with guys getting paid but the Jets have been one of the most dysfunctional organizations in a long time. They just drafted a QB with a high pick and are already moving on to either signing him or bringing in a 39 year old guy who might be the most hated QB in the league by everyone.
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Coming to NOLA with a career-losing coach means he's serious about winning? I get it we want him here but we're not in our prime with Payton.
 
No2DC said:
Coming to NOLA with a career-losing coach means he's serious about winning? I get it we want him here but we're not in our prime with Payton.
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And the Jets are better?
They’re on a 12 season playoff drought and they haven’t had a winning coach since Parcells three year run from ‘97-‘99.
 
EGLSShin said:
If Carr goes to the Jets, he's not serious about winning, he's just another QB that hit the market at the beginning of the end and chased the bag. Now I don't have an issue with guys getting paid but the Jets have been one of the most dysfunctional organizations in a long time. They just drafted a QB with a high pick and are already moving on to either signing him or bringing in a 39 year old guy who might be the most hated QB in the league by everyone.
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The Jets are better set to "win now" than the Saints. It's a hard truth you need to accept.
 
Bayouboy said:
The Jets are better set to "win now" than the Saints. It's a hard truth you need to accept.
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Eh, I disagree, that AFC East division is way more stacked than the NFC south. I never mentioned him needing to come to the Saints, just saying the Jets are a top 4 or 5 dysfunctional franchise in the league, plus he just left a situation in Las Vegas that is just as woeful as the Jets are. I think if the Patriots didn't have an idiot calling the offense, they would have been in the mix for the post-season as well.
 
Saint Jack said:
And the Jets are better?
They’re on a 12 season playoff drought and they haven’t had a winning coach since Parcells three year run from ‘97-‘99.
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True, but did you watch us last year? Anyone thinking we are a much better option is delusional. If he signs with us, it will be due to his relationship with Allen, not because we are so much better.
 
Saint Spud said:
No. They are not. Especially not in the AFC east.
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Pat’s are not great right now. There’s rumors that Bill is soured on Jones and thinks Zappe is not a huge step down. The Bills are great but do have a tendency to turn the ball over. The Dolphins are a Tua concussion away from being mediocre and that’s if you think Tua is what he showed in games last year. While they’re not NFC South bad they aren’t setting the world on fire. With 3 QB’s and possibly their best offensive player injured they still won 7 games. I’m a huge patriot fan but Brady isn’t in that building anymore.
 
My take is that the Jets are a better team and a better landing spot for Carr than the Saints if he is interested in winning. The Saints are not in a very good place. They are not a quarterback away from doing anything meaningful in the postseason. I accept the argument that the NFC South may be such a historically bad division in 2023 that any team, including the Saints, can win it. But were I Carr, I would be looking for a team that has the potential to go far in the playoffs. That is not the New Orleans Saints.

In fact, the only reason I think Carr will come to the Saints is that we will offer the most money.
 
No2DC said:
True, but did you watch us last year? Anyone thinking we are a much better option is delusional. If he signs with us, it will be due to his relationship with Allen, not because we are so much better.
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We came a lot closer to winning the division than the Jets did, and that's in spite of injuries and issues with the QB position. Jets had some too, but that was a push at best.

We have issues sure, but I wouldn't say it's as bad as the Jets.

I do think his prior relationship with Allen helps. Whether that's enough remains to be seen.
 

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