Question Do we think Sean Payton was holding us back? (1 Viewer)

[Plow]

Would we have signed these players if he was still the coach? Im seeing a lot of people on twitter sayin, he made have been holding us back.

The answer will be revealed if the Saints make a deep playoff run this year.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Drew's arm started going south after having the thumb nearly torn off his hand and 11 broken ribs. There was exactly one draft afterwards during Drew's time with the Saints.

It went south before that...I don't think he ever fully recovered from his 2016(?) shoulder injury

 

[TribuneUK]

It went south before that...I don't think he ever fully recovered from his 2016(?) shoulder injury

PFF seemed to think otherwise in both 2017 and 2018.

Most accurate deep ball passers in 2017 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

Using PFF's adjusted completion percentage on deep passes, Steve Palazzolo examines the top 10 QBs in terms of most accurate on throws targeted at least 20 yards downfield.

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Most accurate NFL quarterbacks by pass depth in 2018 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

NFL Editor Mark Chichester uses PFF's advanced quarterback charting to highlight the most accurate quarterbacks at each pass depth from 2018.

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I'm not a slave to PFF rankings, by any means, but these studies seem reasonably objective and Brees is 2nd and 6th respectively.

 

[SaintsMan209]

I think we'll know the answer to this question if the Saints win the Super Bowl this year. But even if they do win, maybe they would have won by a lot more if Payton was the coach. I mean nobody knows, and all of lifes decision can go either way.

 

[TribuneUK]

I think we'll know the answer to this question if the Saints win the Super Bowl this year. But even if they do win, maybe they would have won by a lot more if Payton was the coach. I mean nobody knows, and all of lifes decision can go either way.

The whole idea of the thread is a nonsense.
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[Judge_Smails]

PFF seemed to think otherwise in both 2017 and 2018.

Most accurate deep ball passers in 2017 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

Using PFF's adjusted completion percentage on deep passes, Steve Palazzolo examines the top 10 QBs in terms of most accurate on throws targeted at least 20 yards downfield.

www.pff.com

Most accurate NFL quarterbacks by pass depth in 2018 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

NFL Editor Mark Chichester uses PFF's advanced quarterback charting to highlight the most accurate quarterbacks at each pass depth from 2018.

www.pff.com

(deep passes bottom of the article)

I'm not a slave to PFF rankings, by any means, but these studies seem reasonably objective and Brees is 2nd and 6th respectively.

Brees looked mostly like his old self (respective to arm strength) until the last couple of months of the 2018 season. He was limited (arm strength) in the playoffs and for all of 2019. In 2020 he was even more limited. The broken ribs just made it all even worse.

It’s no disrespect to Brees to say this. He got a lot of miles out of his reconstructed shoulder, but the last couple of years his arm strength was very limited. It impacted the way Payton constructed the offense and chose offensive personnel.

The big positive is it finally led to the Saints building an elite defense.

 

[sfidc3]

The answer will be revealed if the Saints make a deep playoff run this year.

Disagree, most of the players are CSP’s…..

I repeat what this take misses, totally whiffs on, in context….he left the Saints in much, much better shape than he found them….as opposed to Mora, Haslett, and that idiot Ditka…..

 

[dtc]

It went south before that...I don't think he ever fully recovered from his 2016(?) shoulder injury

We won 13 games and the NFCS both of those years and Drew's arm was not holding us back. REcovered fully or not, he was a top 5 at least QB until the last year.

 

[liveoakh]

Brees looked mostly like his old self (respective to arm strength) until the last couple of months of the 2018 season. He was limited (arm strength) in the playoffs and for all of 2019. In 2020 he was even more limited. The broken ribs just made it all even worse.

It’s no disrespect to Brees to say this. He got a lot of miles out of his reconstructed shoulder, but the last couple of years his arm strength was very limited. It impacted the way Payton constructed the offense and chose offensive personnel.

The big positive is it finally led to the Saints building an elite defense.

Yea, that's about right. I think along with building a great 1.) defense, 2.) drafting CG, Kamara, and 3.) taking O linemen in the first rd. Tells the story on Bres's arm, at least in Sean's mind.

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[dtc]

Yea, that's about right. I think along with building a great 1.) defense, 2.) drafting CG, Kamara, and 3.) taking O linemen in the first rd. Tells the story on Bres's arm, at least in Sean's mind.

Once An Accident, Twice A Coincidence, Three Times A Pattern​

You think Brees's declining arm stregth explains why CSP would have drafted the best players he could get and maybe if Brees was throwing like Winston he would have drafted scrubs?

He always takes Olinemen, RBs and the best players he can get it's just that they don't always work out.

 

[ShortFuzed9]

No. I believe that the constant bargain barrel and UDFA scavenging for offensive weapons along with the clear ref abuse held the Saints back. Once the defense got up to par the perennial Heart Attack on offense started to die quickly, lost Jimmy and Colston Devery, Lance ,Meachem cooks, all basically got replaced with MT and Kamara. The dynamics changed only 2 play makers vs 6 the previous years. I feel like Payton tried to hard to squeeze juice out of lemons and should have just went with guys like Eric Kendricks but we drafted Stephone Anthony I feel like MT and JGs contracts should have been taken care of before the chatter and I feel like letting Meachem walk instead of franchising Colston and resigning him was a bad move I'd have franchised Colston and paid him the next year we ended up blowing the bag on Byrd and his neck

 

[liveoakh]

You think Brees's declining arm stregth explains why CSP would have drafted the best players he could get and maybe if Brees was throwing like Winston he would have drafted scrubs?

He always takes Olinemen, RBs and the best players he can get it's just that they don't always work out.

This team has been built to win with Drew's declining arm strength for awhile now..........where have you been?

 

[NeverGiveUP2]

I have been a SR member for a lot of years. I don’t remember a more ridiculous post ever. And that’s saying a lot

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

Disagree, most of the players are CSP’s…..

I repeat what this take misses, totally whiffs on, in context….he left the Saints in much, much better shape than he found them….as opposed to Mora, Haslett, and that idiot Ditka…..

It wouldn't have taken much to have improved on the 2005 team. TBH

 

[blackadder]

This team has been built to win with Drew's declining arm strength for awhile now..........where have you been?

My beef was, even in the offensive salad days, the defense and the running game should have had the same priority. Maybe he just finally got lucky with coaching and drafting and signings. But the way the team was built around Brees and pass first was never going to win it all. It's not an every game philosophy for success. You need to be able to run the ball and play defense late in the year and against the best teams.

Shootout after shootout doesn't hold up.

A lot of peak Brees was squandered. Certainly entertaining. But squandered.