Saints Do you think Payton Turner has the juice to be a hidden gem 🤔. Lets see (merged) (1 Viewer)

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Lol that’s a pro day, not a game, doesn’t count.
It’s still an injury my man. I know every single player deals with injuries at some point. I’ll admit I misunderstood some of the reports I was reading on him. I did not research enough. I read “missed the rest of his sophomore season to injury” and assumed it was 6+ games. Did not know it was only 2. Then I read that he missed half the season in his senior year. Did not mention Covid lol. So that’s my fault for assuming.
 

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Longtime posters are turning themselves into trolls with their reaction to this draft class. Two words: relax, breathe 🧘🏽‍♂️
Fair enough. For what it’s worth, I like this draft class. Probably more than most, since everyone else is trashing it. 100% was not trying to troll I promise haha
 

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It’s still an injury my man. I know every single player deals with injuries at some point. I’ll admit I misunderstood some of the reports I was reading on him. I did not research enough. I read “missed the rest of his sophomore season to injury” and assumed it was 6+ games. Did not know it was only 2. Then I read that he missed half the season in his senior year. Did not mention Covid lol. So that’s my fault for assuming.
Lol yeah it’s still an injury but it’s not the same, players get hurt during the season and will miss practices SO they don’t miss the games and there on. You can’t discredit a player missing a game for intact not missing a game. If that’s the case Brees who basically never missed a game for us must be injury prone since he missed a few practices.

doesnt count my man
 

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It’s that and the fact that they are both raw prospects who are “growing into their body” for me. They definitely have different styles of play. Davenport is a speed rusher while Turner is a power rusher.
Exactly, similar size. Long arms, but turner wins with agility, bend, and great hand fighting, dav wins with either straight line speed or bullrush
 

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Exactly, similar size. Long arms, but turner wins with agility, bend, and great hand fighting, dav wins with either straight line speed or bullrush
From every report I’ve read so far, Turner does not have the bend you’d want from a RDE. Everything I’ve read says he wins with power like a LDE. I know he’s got the size to slide inside, but my immediate thought it Cam Jordan replacement for when he hangs it up. What say you?
 

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From every report I’ve read so far, Turner does not have the bend you’d want from a RDE. Everything I’ve read says he wins with power like a LDE. I know he’s got the size to slide inside, but my immediate thought it Cam Jordan replacement for when he hangs it up
Bad reports then, probably by the same people who said coming out of the draft that cam Jordan will never be a good pass rusher. Most those guys don’t know what they’re talking about. Watching the film myself most of the times turner got to the QB it was because of his agility and hand usage and length, I did not see a ton of bull rushing from him

good club, rip, and swim moves and good at getting skinny to get past blockers
 

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Bad reports then, probably by the same people who said coming out of the draft that cam Jordan will never be a good pass rusher. Most those guys don’t know what they’re talking about. Watching the film myself most of the times turner got to the QB it was because of his agility and hand usage and length, I did not see a ton of bull rushing from him

good club, rip, and swim moves and good at getting skinny to get past blockers
Good stuff. Thanks man.

do you see him as a LDE or RDE?

also, tell me if I’m correct is this assessment. In a 4-3 defense, RDEs are normally more athletic, speed rushers due to LTs being the blind side blocker and thus the best Olinemen on the team. And LDEs are normally bull rushers because RTs are stronger and not normally as athletically gifted as LTs.
 

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Good stuff. Thanks man.

do you see him as a LDE or RDE?

also, tell me if I’m correct is this assessment. In a 4-3 defense, RDEs are normally more athletic, speed rushers due to LTs being the blind side blocker and thus the best Olinemen on the team. And LDEs are normally bull rushers because RTs are stronger and not normally as athletically gifted as LTs.
I think he has both the size and athleticism to play either side, which is a great thing that way whoever is his bookend DE will be allowed to play their strong spot.

and back in the day yes, teams would put their faster defensive end on the weak side against the left tackle so teams would put their quicker tackle on the left side and their bigger tackle on the right side. This doesn’t work anymore because I’m the nickel teams will now purposely put their quicker defensive end on that side to just blow by the slower right tackle. Vikings basically only used Hunter on the strong side so he could abuse people with his speed.

you need 2 good offensive pass blocking tackles in today’s league

it matters in the base formation because your strong side end could get double teamed by the right tackle and tight end, but in the nickel it’s irrelevant
 

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From every report I’ve read so far, Turner does not have the bend you’d want from a RDE. Everything I’ve read says he wins with power like a LDE. I know he’s got the size to slide inside, but my immediate thought it Cam Jordan replacement for when he hangs it up. What say you?
You’re on to something here. My thinking is more twofold. I see this pick as both hedging their bet if Dav doesn’t perform this season and on the other end of the spectrum, picking Cam’s eventual replacement at LDE if Dav does make the jump this season. Maybe not what we all were expecting or hoping for, but it makes a lot of sense. And if all works out, having two 6’6” 270 freaks on the edges would be a nightmare for opposing offenses.
 

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My assumption with builds is that Turner takes Cams spot in a couple years and Davenport takes the other end.
Or, according to the freak out on this board when he was drafted they get other ends of holding down the bench.
 

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From every report I’ve read so far, Turner does not have the bend you’d want from a RDE. Everything I’ve read says he wins with power like a LDE. I know he’s got the size to slide inside, but my immediate thought it Cam Jordan replacement for when he hangs it up. What say you?
I looked at his pro day and timed his 3 cone drill myself. I averaged 6.75

i timed Von miller. His was faster than the reported 6.7 6.5!
 
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I know the Davenport staying healthy narrative is a real thing. And he has to stay healthy. But when he is on the field he is a monster. If, and it's a big if, he can stay healthy, he is a game changer. If Turner can do the same, you have two JPP-type bookends. Throw in Granderson...They all have the same prototype, 6-6ish, 270ish, long arms...Saints clearly have a prototype for DE. Health is the key.
 
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Here is Davenports highlight reel from 2019. He wasn’t as good last year.


He had one sack winning outside demonstrating bend. There was another sack after a feeble chip from a TE. The rest were were Davenport either bull rushing or cutting inside. So I don’t think I’d characterize him as a speed rusher.

I think that Turner has better hands and bend.
 

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You’re on to something here. My thinking is more twofold. I see this pick as both hedging their bet if Dav doesn’t perform this season and on the other end of the spectrum, picking Cam’s eventual replacement at LDE if Dav does make the jump this season. Maybe not what we all were expecting or hoping for, but it makes a lot of sense. And if all works out, having two 6’6” 270 freaks on the edges would be a nightmare for opposing offenses.
Make it three with Granderson. Saints definitely have a metric of what they want out of a DE. All three are almost identical in height, weight, length measureables.
 

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I’d wager Dav turns it up this season barring injuries and Turner on the Onyemata production timeline with similar impact. He may actually come along faster with DE requiring less experience to be productive than DT.
Dav will have to turn it up this season. This new kid can be either his or Cam’s eventual replacement possibly.
 

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